Hi All, Sorry about the spamming, I think that might have been me, trying to update my page "David Vittor".
I was putting a whole bunch of links to resource pages, that might be useful for various plugins, and kept getting the SpamFilter message. I've stopped this now, so this should stop (if I was the culprit). I'll work on setting up my own wiki shortly, so that I can actually upload my own plugins into it, and showcase them. This will reduce the changes I need to make to the current public jspwiki. Although I do like the idea of a sandbox wiki, especially for new guys like me. Kind regards, David V On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Glen Mazza <[email protected]> wrote: > heavy = frequent. Not a bad thing at all, providing it's not spam. I > didn't see any obvious spam from the commit list, so wasn't sure what > Juergen was concerned about. > > I don't have a problem with people pages either. Ichiro's is particularly > good. > > Glen > > > On 08/21/2014 03:18 PM, Harry Metske wrote: > >> I would like to stick with the setup we currently have, meaning: >> * stick with one wiki, no additional wikis, not for docu, and sure not for >> a sandbox >> * I am also fine with the "level of freedom" we currently have on the >> wiki, >> as JP says, the spam is almost nothing, I dont have more then 5 minutes a >> week doing gardening. >> * can't comment on the licensing issues. >> >> People should be able to have their own pages, as long as it is not just >> for testing ( I deleted a few of those last year). >> I dont understand what is meant with the "heavy commits" >> >> Kind regards, >> Harry >> Op 21 aug. 2014 18:39 schreef "Glen Mazza" <[email protected]>: >> >> We really don't need to be discussing marketing with Juergen, as he's not >>> yet on the team. As for his comment: "As for playing with the Wiki, >>> there >>> should be a Sandbox page, which would be world writeable and which should >>> be deleted by a batch job every hour or so", he's just being generous >>> with >>> other people's time and responsibilities (nobody, after all, is stopping >>> him from running his own public JSPWiki sandbox.) The team decides >>> whether >>> we want a Sandbox, and we've already determined earlier we don't want to >>> manage it and deal with the responsibilities and headaches of people >>> uploading illegal or privacy-infringing content, that there is better use >>> of our limited time on the project, and that people can view our own Wiki >>> instance as well as test JSPWiki locally to confirm if they want it. >>> >>> Whether or not we have a sandbox or personal pages is an opportunity >>> cost, >>> marketing and legal matter that is not a concern of users, they don't >>> need >>> to get into that. Whether or not JSPWiki works, and how it works is one >>> thing for users to comment on, but marketing is not a user concern. >>> >>> Nonetheless I thank Juergen for noting the heavy commits recently >>> (although from the link below I'm not sure what is the spam that he's >>> talking about, it looks like normal commits), as it allowed me to notice >>> someone attaching non-Apache licensed material (a Dilbert cartoon). >>> >>> Glen >>> >>> >>> On 08/21/2014 11:43 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote: >>> >>> [Switching to dev, so everyone can hop in] >>>> >>>> As for now, we show an advice on the footer, stating that the content is >>>> AL; maybe we should reword that so it's made clearer, as it's seen on >>>> every >>>> page. If don't state that the content is AL there, I could upload my own >>>> plugin without knowing or linking the ContributedPlugins page and I >>>> could >>>> argue that the copyright notice wasn't visible. >>>> >>>> Regarding personal pages, right now, I'd leave them, as the >>>> signal-to-noise >>>> ratio is still high, and those pages link, or contain valuable >>>> info/contributed plugins. If it worsens I'd be would be in favour of >>>> being >>>> stricter granting rw access, but for now it seems to me ok, as a large % >>>> of >>>> those personal/sandbox pages are ending up in being proper >>>> contributions. >>>> In any case, I'm eager to hear what others think about this, and won't >>>> mind >>>> to change my opinion if enough people think we should be stricter / >>>> would >>>> be nice to have a sandbox wiki / etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> br, >>>> juan pablo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Jürgen Weber <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Juan Pablo, >>>> >>>>> actually I think personal pages at an apache.org site is not a good >>>>> idea. >>>>> We should ask Glen about this. Especially reading what he wrote here: >>>>> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Diff.jsp?page= >>>>> ContributedPlugins&r1=13&r2=12 >>>>> >>>>> One could even be more strict with added content and require that it go >>>>> via a JIRA attachment.. >>>>> >>>>> As for playing with the Wiki, there should be a Sandbox page, which >>>>> would >>>>> be world writeable and which should be deleted by a batch job every >>>>> hour >>>>> or >>>>> so. >>>>> >>>>> But we should discuss this, either via a Jira or on dev. >>>>> >>>>> Greetings, Jürgen >>>>> Am 19.08.2014 17:27 schrieb "Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez" < >>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jürgen, >>>>> >>>>> thanks for looking into this! I've checked to see what type of content >>>>>> is >>>>>> being posted, but they seem to me as personal/sandbox pages, created >>>>>> from >>>>>> different IPs, which was somewhat usual/normal when hosted at >>>>>> www.jspwiki.org. Do you think the wiki should stick to documentation >>>>>> (or >>>>>> perhaps we should use another wiki instance to host this kind of >>>>>> pages)? As >>>>>> it was difficult to get the VM and wiki running, we sticked to one >>>>>> instance, but we could set up for another redirection if needed >>>>>> (however, I >>>>>> feel that this kind of decision should be made at dev@) >>>>>> >>>>>> For now, let's wait to see how they evolve, or if new spam-suspicious >>>>>> pages are created. If they come to be spam, we could follow the same >>>>>> policy >>>>>> followed by the infra guys, that is, grant access to anyone who asks >>>>>> on >>>>>> [email protected], for instance, or whatever we decide at dev@.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> juan pablo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Jürgen Weber <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Juan Pablo, >>>>>> >>>>>>> looks like the jspwiki-wiki.apache.org is beeing spammed: >>>>>>> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=RecentChanges >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess new users should be closed, which is a pity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How could one restrict the valid users? Only ones, that have written >>>>>>> something serious on the mailing list? Only G+ accounts? Only apache >>>>>>> accounts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings, Juergen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >
