heavy = frequent. Not a bad thing at all, providing it's not spam. I
didn't see any obvious spam from the commit list, so wasn't sure what
Juergen was concerned about.
I don't have a problem with people pages either. Ichiro's is
particularly good.
Glen
On 08/21/2014 03:18 PM, Harry Metske wrote:
I would like to stick with the setup we currently have, meaning:
* stick with one wiki, no additional wikis, not for docu, and sure not for
a sandbox
* I am also fine with the "level of freedom" we currently have on the wiki,
as JP says, the spam is almost nothing, I dont have more then 5 minutes a
week doing gardening.
* can't comment on the licensing issues.
People should be able to have their own pages, as long as it is not just
for testing ( I deleted a few of those last year).
I dont understand what is meant with the "heavy commits"
Kind regards,
Harry
Op 21 aug. 2014 18:39 schreef "Glen Mazza" <[email protected]>:
We really don't need to be discussing marketing with Juergen, as he's not
yet on the team. As for his comment: "As for playing with the Wiki, there
should be a Sandbox page, which would be world writeable and which should
be deleted by a batch job every hour or so", he's just being generous with
other people's time and responsibilities (nobody, after all, is stopping
him from running his own public JSPWiki sandbox.) The team decides whether
we want a Sandbox, and we've already determined earlier we don't want to
manage it and deal with the responsibilities and headaches of people
uploading illegal or privacy-infringing content, that there is better use
of our limited time on the project, and that people can view our own Wiki
instance as well as test JSPWiki locally to confirm if they want it.
Whether or not we have a sandbox or personal pages is an opportunity cost,
marketing and legal matter that is not a concern of users, they don't need
to get into that. Whether or not JSPWiki works, and how it works is one
thing for users to comment on, but marketing is not a user concern.
Nonetheless I thank Juergen for noting the heavy commits recently
(although from the link below I'm not sure what is the spam that he's
talking about, it looks like normal commits), as it allowed me to notice
someone attaching non-Apache licensed material (a Dilbert cartoon).
Glen
On 08/21/2014 11:43 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
[Switching to dev, so everyone can hop in]
As for now, we show an advice on the footer, stating that the content is
AL; maybe we should reword that so it's made clearer, as it's seen on
every
page. If don't state that the content is AL there, I could upload my own
plugin without knowing or linking the ContributedPlugins page and I could
argue that the copyright notice wasn't visible.
Regarding personal pages, right now, I'd leave them, as the
signal-to-noise
ratio is still high, and those pages link, or contain valuable
info/contributed plugins. If it worsens I'd be would be in favour of being
stricter granting rw access, but for now it seems to me ok, as a large %
of
those personal/sandbox pages are ending up in being proper contributions.
In any case, I'm eager to hear what others think about this, and won't
mind
to change my opinion if enough people think we should be stricter / would
be nice to have a sandbox wiki / etc.
br,
juan pablo
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Jürgen Weber <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Juan Pablo,
actually I think personal pages at an apache.org site is not a good
idea.
We should ask Glen about this. Especially reading what he wrote here:
https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Diff.jsp?page=
ContributedPlugins&r1=13&r2=12
One could even be more strict with added content and require that it go
via a JIRA attachment..
As for playing with the Wiki, there should be a Sandbox page, which would
be world writeable and which should be deleted by a batch job every hour
or
so.
But we should discuss this, either via a Jira or on dev.
Greetings, Jürgen
Am 19.08.2014 17:27 schrieb "Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez" <
[email protected]>:
Hi Jürgen,
thanks for looking into this! I've checked to see what type of content
is
being posted, but they seem to me as personal/sandbox pages, created
from
different IPs, which was somewhat usual/normal when hosted at
www.jspwiki.org. Do you think the wiki should stick to documentation
(or
perhaps we should use another wiki instance to host this kind of
pages)? As
it was difficult to get the VM and wiki running, we sticked to one
instance, but we could set up for another redirection if needed
(however, I
feel that this kind of decision should be made at dev@)
For now, let's wait to see how they evolve, or if new spam-suspicious
pages are created. If they come to be spam, we could follow the same
policy
followed by the infra guys, that is, grant access to anyone who asks on
[email protected], for instance, or whatever we decide at dev@..
cheers,
juan pablo
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Jürgen Weber <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Juan Pablo,
looks like the jspwiki-wiki.apache.org is beeing spammed:
https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=RecentChanges
I guess new users should be closed, which is a pity.
How could one restrict the valid users? Only ones, that have written
something serious on the mailing list? Only G+ accounts? Only apache
accounts?
Greetings, Juergen
