hi PoAn

Considering that the Endpoint API is now considered stable, would you please 
create a minor patch to remove the @InterfaceStability.Evolving annotation? 
This annotation was introduced in version 2.4.0 (see 
https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/364794866f82d2d99f7a610d699478d5055688f0),
 and its removal should be straightforward at this point.

Best,
Chia-Ping

On 2025/03/17 13:12:19 PoAn Yang wrote:
> Hi Juma and Chia-Ping,
> 
> Thanks for the review and suggestions.
> 
> chia_q0: I change KIP to deprecate listenerName function in 4.1 and replace 
> it with name function.
> In 5.0, the deprecated function listerName will be removed.
> 
> chia_q1: Add RaftVoterEndpoint and StreamsGroupMemberDescription#Endpoint as 
> examples to explain that
> different cases use different Endpoint definitions. The listenerName cannot 
> be null in broker side and there is
> no usage in client side, so we can deprecate listenerName function and use 
> the name function to return String.
> 
> Best Regards,
> PoAn
> 
> > On Mar 17, 2025, at 8:41 PM, Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7...@apache.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe we can add new method `name()` same to `RaftVoterEndpoint#name`. 
> > 
> > in 4.x:
> > 
> > 1) add `org.apache.kafka.common.Endpoint#name()`
> > 2) deprecate `org.apache.kafka.common.Endpoint#listenerName()`
> > 3) replace `org.apache.kafka.common.Endpoint` by 
> > `org.apache.kafka.network.Endpoint`
> > 
> > in 5.x
> > 
> > 1) remove `org.apache.kafka.common.Endpoint#listenerName()`
> > 
> > Best,
> > Chia-Ping
> > 
> > On 2025/03/17 07:58:47 Ismael Juma wrote:
> >> To be clear, that's not the only issue. There is no way to make a
> >> compatible change in signature like the one proposed by 5.0. Two major
> >> releases would be required. And we also need a non deprecated method to be
> >> used in the meantime.
> >> 
> >> Ismael
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 12:41 AM Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> hi PoAn,
> >>> 
> >>> chia_q0:
> >>> To prevent potential misinterpretations, could you please explicitly list
> >>> the features that will be deprecated and added in Kafka 4.x, and those 
> >>> that
> >>> will be removed in Kafka 5.x? Without this clarification, readers might
> >>> mistakenly assume that breaking changes are planned for Kafka 4.x.
> >>> 
> >>> chia_q1:
> >>> Furthermore, regarding the Endpoint.listenerName() method, our previous
> >>> discussion [0] indicated that it returns an Optional value because it was
> >>> intended for use by other public APIs. However, it appears that we have 
> >>> not
> >>> fully utilized this approach. For instance, RaftVoterEndpoint [1] was
> >>> created as a separate class to represent the endpoint for voters, rather
> >>> than reusing the Endpoint class. I believe this discrepancy should be
> >>> included in the KIP as a key motivation for the proposed changes.
> >>> 
> >>> [0] https://lists.apache.org/thread/v6s7wnmzbprs26dyd7gom0g55k0ww1o2
> >>> [1]
> >>> 
> >>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/blob/trunk/clients/src/main/java/org/apache/kafka/clients/admin/RaftVoterEndpoint.java
> >>> 
> >>> Best,
> >>> Chia-Ping
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Ismael Juma <m...@ismaeljuma.com> 於 2025年3月17日 週一 上午4:48寫道:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> 
> >>>> We cannot make incompatible changes to public classes outside of major
> >>>> releases. The evolving annotation was left by mistake given that these
> >>>> classes have been there for a long time by now.
> >>>> 
> >>>> The general way to handle this is to have a new non deprecated method,
> >>>> deprecate the old one. And then remove the deprecated one in 5.0.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Ismael
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2025, 5:53 AM PoAn Yang <yangp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I would like to start a discussion thread on KIP-1143.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> This KIP removes redundant org.apache.kafka.network.EndPoint and
> >>> replaces
> >>>>> it with org.apache.kafka.common.Endpoint. Also, it changes output of
> >>>>> Endpoint#listenerName from Optional<String> to String.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Please take a look and feel free to share any thoughts.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=345377327
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Sample PR: https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/19191
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> PoAn
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> 
> 

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