There will not be a two year wait for Karaf 3.0.0.RC2 - we're hoping that another RC will not be required before cutting the official 3.0.0 release. This RC1 is to gain feedback and identify critical issues that need addressing before 3.0.0 is put up for vote.
Cheers, Jamie On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Andrei Pozolotin <[email protected]> wrote: > Guillaume: > > no, snapshots are no good. > > explanation: > > we were trying to run in semi-production mode on karaf 3.0.0-SNAPSHOT for > last 6 month or so. > > problematic patterns: > > 1) some snapshots are good, some are really bad - karaf not even start > 2) daily snapshot pull is too much toll on developers - waste of time > 3) there is no easy way to go back to find out what/where was good / revert > to last known good. > > issue at hand: > > this used to work some 3 months back, but broken now: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-2180 > > now you will cut RC1, with this bug baked in, > and then I have to wait for next 2 years to get RC2 :-) > I do not mind the bug, I mind 2 year wait / lack of periodic RC freeze. > > example from another project: > netty is not afraid to release 8 alphas and 2 betas in 6 month > http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7Cnetty > > I am not asking you to be an Oracle and release java every day, > but can you please be Google with their monthly chrome releases? :-) > > cheers, > > Andrei. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: release by subsystem > From: Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> > To: Jamie G. <[email protected]> > Cc: Andrei Pozolotin <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Date: Tue 12 Mar 2013 07:33:49 PM CDT > > I actually fail to see what you're looking for Andrei. We have nightly > builds already. Aren't those sufficient ? > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Jamie G. <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> RC's are a tagged and signed entity that are released from Apache - >> that requires a vote. The nightly snapshot builds are available for >> integration purposes in the mean time. >> >> Cheers, >> Jamie >> >> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Andrei Pozolotin >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Jamie: >> > >> > cant you make a case that RC is not really a release? >> > >> > Andrei >> > >> > -------- Original Message -------- >> > Subject: Re: release by subsystem >> > From: Jamie G. <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Cc: Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> >> > Date: Tue 12 Mar 2013 07:24:53 PM CDT >> > >> > Sorry for jumping in here, >> > >> > Apache builds require approval before release: >> > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#approving-a-release >> > >> > As to release schedule, that's purely at the discretion of the >> > community to my best understanding. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Jamie >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Andrei Pozolotin >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Guillaume: >> > >> > how about automatic, once a month, karaf RC-XXX release, w/o vote? >> > >> > Andrei. >> > >> > -------- Original Message -------- >> > Subject: Re: release by subsystem >> > From: Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> > Date: Tue 12 Mar 2013 06:24:24 PM CDT >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Andrei Pozolotin < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > *Jean-Baptiste, Łukasz** >> > * >> > FYI: >> > >> > 1) I released a jenkins plugin which allows incremental cascaded >> > releases from any level of dependency tree: >> > >> > https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Maven+Cascade+Release+Plugin >> > >> > Thx for the heads up. >> > >> > >> > 2) I hope you can switch away from monolithic releases and release >> > karaf modules/subsystems on demand and often. >> > >> > Releasing karaf is fairly easy, and we rarely are waiting for third >> > party >> > dependencies. >> > When that happens, it's mostly because we have bugs waiting to be fixed. >> > >> > >> > 3) IIRC, the first time "3.0.0.RC1 will come out in 2 weeks" was >> > promised on this mailing list about 2 years back :-) >> > >> > And this has nothing to do with the release process. Technically >> > speaking, >> > trunk or branches are mostly always in a releasable state. >> > >> > >> > Thank you, >> > >> > Andrei >> > >> > -------- Original Message -------- >> > Subject: Re: release by subsystem >> > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Date: Thu 07 Feb 2013 02:26:10 PM CST >> > >> > Hi Andrei, >> > >> > I understand your point. >> > >> > Some parts are really tight together. However, that's the purpose of >> > the minimal distribution and framework: >> > >> > - framework should provide the most minimal Karaf container (however, >> > it embeds Aries Blueprint for instance, as Karaf bundles use it) >> > - minimal is a very lightweight Karaf container, the purpose is to let >> > the user create a custom distribution on top of that. >> > >> > I'm listening all proposals to improve these distributions ! >> > >> > Regards >> > JB >> > >> > On 02/07/2013 05:30 PM, Andrei Pozolotin wrote: >> > >> > *Jean-Baptiste* >> > >> > I am curious if you envision to change karaf layout so release by >> > subsystem is possible. >> > >> > For example, if I use minimal sub set of karaf, which does not need >> > Aries, why should I wait for it? >> > >> > this is similar to how ops4j was partitioned way back, so there are >> > no monolithic Godzilla releases any more. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > >> > Andrei >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > ------------------------ > Guillaume Nodet > ------------------------ > Red Hat, Open Source Integration > > Email: [email protected] > Web: http://fusesource.com > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ > >
