Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

[Clytie Siddall]

Thanks for opening this discussion, Clayton. :)

On 15/07/2008, at 9:39 PM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:

Well, the URL for a Wiki page would be in English instead of in the localized language. There is a way to handle that... you can use the {{DISPLAYTITLE:Your_localized_title}} syntax to give the translated page the right page title (this syntax is used extensively already in the English Documentation subpages... also see the Chinese document example above)

Thankyou very much for telling us about this syntax! Vietnamese looks absolutely awful in links, but we want Vietnamese page titles, and up till now we have had no idea how to solve that problem. Now we do. :)) I imagine this will help other heavily-accented languages, and those in non-Latin scripts, as well.

There is already a long history of pages in the various random ways we've built them in the Wiki. Well, that can be easily solved with the WikiBot. If we come to an agreement that requires a shuffle (or move) in pages, the WikiBot can do this semi-automatically. It can move the pages and leave redirects in place from all the old pages (so no broken link problems). This means no effort from the various communities.

So, for example, if I asked for all pages with pagenames:

pagename_vi
pagename_VI
pagename.vi

to be converted to:

VI/pagename

that could be done by a WIkiBot?



Qa/vi/Testtool_FD6

Should those pages be changed to:

VI/QA/pagename

?



I would need to shift quite a few pages to new names, e.g.

Trang_Chính -> VI/Main_Page

Also, in the QA part of the wiki, we already have language-code subdirectories, e.g. There are also quite a few pages with entirely Vietnamese page names, either because they are original pages (not translations), or because I have tried to translate the original pagename. I agree that translating the pagename isn't the best way, especially now we can create localized titles in another way, but many translators may have done it, because that has been the example set in the WikiMedia wikis. For example, in each of the WM wikis, "Main Page" is "Trang Chính" in Vietnamese, not "VI/Main_Page". Hopefully we can reverse this trend. It looks like you can rename a page [1], so we won't have to worry about obsolete pages.

Are there other disadvantages?

What about linking from one language to the next in a specific page? There is already a solution in place on the Wiki for that called InterWiki Links. Take a look at the OOoWiki Main Page or the Extensions pages for examples of how this works. This is just an idea... what does everyone else think? Is this moving in the right direction? Is there a better way to start organizing this? Please give your thoughts and comments.. good and bad :-) Hopefully we can find a good solution that works for everyone.

from Clytie

Vietnamese Free Software Translation Team
http://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n

[1] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging_and_moving_pages#How_to_rename_a_page

I think this is definitely a move in the right direction. It will take some work to convert everything, but once it is done, our wiki will have a much more logical structure, one that is much easier for users to follow and understand. :)

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