Thank you! ain.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 18:05, Marcus Lange <marcus.la...@sun.com> wrote: > Ain Vagula wrote: > > Hi Ain, > >> This sentence irritates me a bit in the head of RC downloads: >> "The software in the following table is not recommended for production >> deployment. These builds are under development and therefore >> unstable." > > yes, it is not the best wording for a RC. > >> This software is based on final source of released version, therefore >> these builds are not more under active development (can have only >> critical fixes) and these builds are with big probability as stable as >> released version and removing characters R, C and 2 from filename >> doesnt make these builds more stable. >> These builds are released 'as is' also as the released builds (there >> is a certain paragraph about it in license, number 15). So or so all >> our software is used at users own risk. Why then claim a software >> which has high probabilty to have very good quality to be clearly >> "unstable"? >> >> So I see 2 possibilities to rewrite this sentence above: >> 1. This software made from our stable source is ruined by evil >> localization teams you can easily decrypt from language names. When >> you meet them at street, kick their ass. >> 2. This software is based on final released version but has not passed >> all final tests. Please use this at your own risk and report possible >> issues to (IZ address). For more information visit the homepage of >> particular localization team listed in bottom of >> http://native-lang.openoffice.org/ >> >> First makes even to not educated people clear what we mean. Second > > But I doubt that it is political correct. ;-) > >> maybe helps a potential downloader a bit further. There is of course a >> third sort of people who can use google or already know where to find >> download pages of localization teams (with tested or not packages) but >> unfortunately not the new users... And exactly to new users we just >> say: hey, when you install this software in your language you will >> have serious problems, please dont do it. > > Of course we have to say that it is not a released version. But it don't > should scare the user, too, to test it nevertheless. The point is now to hit > the middle. > > I've taken your idea and changed the websites like the following: > > The software in the following table is based on the final release but has > not passed all final tests. Therefore it cannot be seen as a released build > and should not be deployed in a production environment. However, you are > invited to use and test these builds. Please report any possible issues. For > more information visit the homepage of the particular localization team. > >> Other problem is, that as policy says, langpack - when 80% of UI is >> translated and full set - when both help and UI are over 80%. I can >> see at least 2 missing languages from full set table, Czech and >> Estonian, I'm sure that there are a lot more. >> When submitting translations, we usually state the percentage. With >> high probability we don't submit any translations to minor versions >> (like 3.1.1) as we dont have any so critical fixes since major version >> (string changes in source are not allowed any more in this period), so >> how could we state it? > > Such requests for a full build/langpack please address to Ivo Hinkelmann > (i...@openoffice.org). He is coordinating the integration of l10n stuff and > can add the language to the list for building. > > Best regards > > Marcus > > > >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 18:48, Marcus Lange <marcus.la...@sun.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> both websites are now online. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> >>> Marcus Lange wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> when there are no further comments, then I'll start to bring both sites >>>> to >>>> the new location at "download.openoffice.org/other.html" and >>>> "download.openoffice.org/langpack.html". >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marcus Lange wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> because IA64 and Linux PPC builds are only available for English US and >>>>> no other language, I've moved the columns to a separate table below the >>>>> first one. This will save a bit space to the right hand side. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> >>>>> Marcus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marcus Lange wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've done some further changes: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Placed all notes to another website, so that the tables with >>>>>> download >>>>>> links will come a bit higher. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Furthermore I think it is better to name the download links as >>>>>> "Download" instead of the version number. Because the normal user will >>>>>> search for links that provide the actual download. So when naming it >>>>>> in this >>>>>> way it's easier to find and understand. Therefore I've named the links >>>>>> with >>>>>> the 3.1.1 builds with "Download" and (re)introduced the "Latest >>>>>> release" >>>>>> column. >>>>>> >>>>>> - I've extended the concept also to the full installation builds: >>>>>> http://download.openoffice.org/next/other_all.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Marcus >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marcus Lange wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as an alternative I've created a langpack website with all files >>>>>>> listed >>>>>>> in 2 tables: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://download.openoffice.org/next/langpack_all.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe we can agree on this as commpromise? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marcus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marcus Lange wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> as promised I thought about a new structure and have created the >>>>>>>> following websites to ease the download of RC builds: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://download.openoffice.org/next/other_rc.html >>>>>>>> http://download.openoffice.org/next/langpack_rc.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please have a look if the names of the languages are correct. It's >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> easy to find the correct wording for so many, so please bear with >>>>>>>> me. ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keep in mind that this is just a test to show you how it could look >>>>>>>> like. It's not yet the final version (e.g., all builds that are >>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>> released have to be deleted from here, of course). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once we have a final state I would update the index page >>>>>>>> (http://download.openoffice.org/next), so that both new websites can >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> found via links and make some announcements. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please tell me what you think about this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marcus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marcus Lange wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think I haven't taken into account the many differences with >>>>>>>>> builds, testing and NL communities. So, I'm sorry if anyone feels >>>>>>>>> offend. >>>>>>>>> This was not my intension or to ignore the situation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll think about what could be done to provide the builds to the >>>>>>>>> users (tested or not, released or not). Because it's a very high >>>>>>>>> number this >>>>>>>>> will be not easy. And take into account that someone has to >>>>>>>>> maintain this >>>>>>>>> monster of list (7 platforms with 90+ languages). ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just wanted to take the chance to answer here early before my >>>>>>>>> absence >>>>>>>>> the next week. Therefore please don't expect to have a fast >>>>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marcus > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@l10n.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@l10n.openoffice.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@l10n.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@l10n.openoffice.org
