El lun, 06-02-2006 a las 10:14 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier escribió:

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> antonio is willing to start with the job, that takes a lot of the 
> pressure away. with some time gained thus, why not just discuss and 
> eventually vote on linking committer status with the willingness to do a 
> release?

IMO that is not necessary since that is officially stated already here
in the ASF. 
http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#meritocracy
"Being no conservative resource at stake (money, energy, time), the
group was happy to have new people coming in and help, they were only
filtering the people that they believed committed enough for the task
and matched the human attitudes required to work well with others,
especially in disagreement."

That is, once someone has contributed sufficiently to any area of CoPDoC
[1] they can be voted in as a committer.[2]

Further if you take more responsibilities in doing tasks such as RM it
is an indicator for your commitment level to the project (and the ASF in
general). If you contribute sufficiently with this new commitment level
you will get voted as PMC member, member,... 

Like you see, the idea is, you are doing something and you get rewarded.
I do not see the need to turn it around and establish rules that punish
somebody if you are not doing something. 

I do not say: I installed the zone and do website updates and now if you
do not maintain it then you should retire. That will end up in cutting
out valuable indicators for commitment (which we need). If somebody
steps up and helping with this it indicates her commitment level and she
get rewarded in the future. If she got forced, one can not know whether
it was her commitment or the fear getting devoted.

That is why I asked (and still do):
"Why suddenly meritocracy (the principal the ASF is based on) is not
enough for this project anymore? 

> 
> 
> shutting up now,

No, thanks for stating your opinion.

salu2

[1] http://forrest.apache.org/committed.html#copdoc 
[2] http://forrest.apache.org/committed.html#becoming
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