But I think Adam's point is that graphically things aren't necessarily bad in accessible sites- designers need to be taught a little bit about styles work and hey presto...
-----Original Message----- From: Ian Westbrook (BT account) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2004 10:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > Have a look at www.csszengarden.com won't read with HAL. > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/094/094.css&page=0 nor that > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/099/099.css&page=0 no alt tags. close your eyes, and imagine your computer reading the page to you. what do you get? Ian W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > Have a look at www.csszengarden.com to see how site content should be > presented. The HTML is simple, but the impact of the stylesheet on the > presentation is just amazing as is shown by the number of different ways the > site can be presented. > > As an example... > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/094/094.css&page=0 > > And then have a look at this: > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/099/099.css&page=0 > > > As to flash. Only thing I'm using it for is to build an online interactive > game which will this time next year make me a millionaire...isn't that right > Rodney! > > Adam > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ian Westbrook (BT account) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 16 April 2004 10:31 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > > > <rant> > > the big problem is - as the DRC report released this week mentions - that > > accessible web sites need to make aesthetic/layout compromises to be > > entirely accessible (no left nav bars being the most obvious example - at > > least until all screen reader progs develop to the point wher they can > > handle 'em), and most web developers (current company excluded, of course > > ;-) still seem obsessed with Flash. I've even come across sites which are > > entirely built as _one Flash movie_ (not even a separate movie for each > > page) - which is about as _in_accessible as it gets... > > > > Come October, when section 3 of the DDA comes into effect, I > > reckon Flash is > > gonna be dead in the water - or at least retreat to where it > > should be, used > > occasionally for interactive graphics. > > </rant> > > > > Ian W > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Damian Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:23 AM > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > > > > Because w3 is so goddamn dry- I wish they'd build their site better but > > > I guess a million people have already told em that. You need people to > > > make sense of it for those who are less able to understand that guff... > > > another plug for you Ian ;) > > > > > > We need more evangelists everywhere > > > amen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ian Westbrook (BT account) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 16 April 2004 10:20 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > > > > all you need to or want to know about accessibility > > > > > > > > > true, so how come so few web developers actually implement them? > > > > > > Ian W > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matt Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:16 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone's interested I offer accessibility consultancy ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Ian W > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice pitch :D > > > > > > > > http://www.w3.org/WAI/ > > > > > > > > all you need to or want to know about accessibility > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > > > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > > > > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF > > > provided > > > by activepdf.com* > > > > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > > > proworkflow.com* > > > > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > > > gradwell.com* > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > > > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > > > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF > > > provided by activepdf.com* > > > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > > > proworkflow.com* > > > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > > > gradwell.com* > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -- > > > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > > > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > > *ActivePDF provided > > by activepdf.com* > > > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > > proworkflow.com* > > > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > > gradwell.com* > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF > > provided by activepdf.com* > > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided > > by proworkflow.com* > > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted > > by gradwell.com* > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
