Hi Ian, You've peaked my interest. The html file used in the site is here http://www.csszengarden.com/zengarden-sample.html
This appears to be as simple as it gets. Why can't HAL read this? Based on this validation it passes. http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.csszengar den.com%2F&output=Submit&gl=wcag1-aaa&test= Excuse my ignorance but what is HAL? The point I was trying to make is that your CF output should be as simple as possible and that you should rely on CSS (level 1) stylesheets to implement your site design. Well that's what I am trying to do at the moment :) Adam > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Westbrook (BT account) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 April 2004 10:55 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > Have a look at www.csszengarden.com > > won't read with HAL. > > > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/094/094.css&page=0 > > nor that > > > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/099/099.css&page=0 > > no alt tags. close your eyes, and imagine your computer reading > the page to > you. what do you get? > > Ian W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:33 AM > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > Have a look at www.csszengarden.com to see how site content should be > > presented. The HTML is simple, but the impact of the stylesheet on the > > presentation is just amazing as is shown by the number of different ways > the > > site can be presented. > > > > As an example... > > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/094/094.css&page=0 > > > > And then have a look at this: > > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/099/099.css&page=0 > > > > > > As to flash. Only thing I'm using it for is to build an online > interactive > > game which will this time next year make me a millionaire...isn't that > right > > Rodney! > > > > Adam > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ian Westbrook (BT account) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 16 April 2004 10:31 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > > > > > > <rant> > > > the big problem is - as the DRC report released this week mentions - > that > > > accessible web sites need to make aesthetic/layout compromises to be > > > entirely accessible (no left nav bars being the most obvious example - > at > > > least until all screen reader progs develop to the point wher they can > > > handle 'em), and most web developers (current company excluded, of > course > > > ;-) still seem obsessed with Flash. I've even come across sites which > are > > > entirely built as _one Flash movie_ (not even a separate > movie for each > > > page) - which is about as _in_accessible as it gets... > > > > > > Come October, when section 3 of the DDA comes into effect, I > > > reckon Flash is > > > gonna be dead in the water - or at least retreat to where it > > > should be, used > > > occasionally for interactive graphics. > > > </rant> > > > > > > Ian W > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Damian Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:23 AM > > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > > > > > > > Because w3 is so goddamn dry- I wish they'd build their site better > but > > > > I guess a million people have already told em that. You > need people to > > > > make sense of it for those who are less able to understand that > guff... > > > > another plug for you Ian ;) > > > > > > > > We need more evangelists everywhere > > > > amen > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ian Westbrook (BT account) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 16 April 2004 10:20 > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > > > > > > all you need to or want to know about accessibility > > > > > > > > > > > > true, so how come so few web developers actually implement them? > > > > > > > > Ian W > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Matt Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:16 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Website accessibility in the UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone's interested I offer accessibility consultancy ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian W > > > > > > 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