And that's a perfectly acceptible way to do it. Any jobs I have given to people I have never met and who live in another country I have not been very impressed with. The communication has been very poor for a start. Working from home works for some people, not for others. I have always been able to do it, and now do it permanently cozz I ain't travelling 3 hours to the office every day. But then I'm a workaholic :-)
Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 06 June 2004 18:53 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] RE: The chicken or the egg > > Now that this thread has been going for a while I shall throw > in my two peneth. I have been Telecommuting for the past 7-8 > months and it has worked great for me but there has to be > flexibility on both sides. In particular, I must be prepared > to travel to the client at least once a fortnight, probably > once a week to provide updates, talk over concepts, brain > storm etc to ensure I am producing the proper product. This > is usually overcome by producing detailed specs in FliP > (wireframes, etc). > > And so what if I do a job in 4 hours when you have paid me > for 8. If you were happy to accept the quote then you should > be happy to pay it (generally speaking, If I do overestimate > a job by a vast amount I WILL give this back to the client, > or part of it anyway ;) but I often do a lot of free work > before and after the project in the form of scoping, > implementation, tweaks and improvements. > > I have now been contracted at the client site which seriously > disrupts my family life as it means I am now doing 12 hour > days (including commuting 3-4 hours a day) and I am whacked > out but the job would be impossible to do from home so they > reimburse me with a hefty wage. > > Like I say, this type of work requires trust on both sides so > I can understand if there is a certain amount of suspicion. > Its all about proving your ability to do the work and this > comes from portfolio's and references and in my case a busy > agency backing me up. > > Ellis C Wood BSc > > Ellwood Web Solutions > > > > T: 01623 459973 > > E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > W: http://www.ellwoodwebsolutions.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Puritche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 06 June 2004 15:48 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] RE: The chicken or the egg > > Snake, > > I believe that you know what term "credit history" mean. > Applying it to IT - employer can assume that if I > successfully worked for 5 companies then I probably will work > OK for 6th too. > > Telecommuters can be managed only if you are 10 finger > keyboards typist. This is primary skill needed for managing > telecommuters, i'm not kidding. > > As for time management - contact me off list, i will send > you link to a program which solves this problem. > > In general, it isn't a problem to manage overseas stuff > once you dug in, the problem is to want to try it. > > > Sunday, June 6, 2004, 12:19:42 PM, you wrote: > > Snake> It's not pure gain, it's a pain in the ass. > Snake> Telecommuters cannot be managed, > Snake> monitored, checked on. > Snake> I would have no idea if your doing any work, no idea what hours > your > Snake> working, no idea if your charging me for 8 hours per > day but only > working 4 > Snake> etc. > Snake> I would not employ a full-time telecommuter for my > company unless > I already > Snake> knew them and knew their ability to work remotely and be > reliable. And then > Snake> I would expect them to be in the same country so they > can come to > meetings > Snake> etc. > > Snake> Russ > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Alex Puritche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: 05 June 2004 18:46 > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re[4]: [ cf-dev ] The chicken or the egg > >> > >> > >> Snake, > >> > >> I understand, but it doesn't solve problems of the UK companies. > >> > >> From the state point of view, it is much cheaper to "buy" in a > >> various ways, providing temporary working permits, > permanent legal > >> statuses, etc. to trained/educated people then to grow and > train own. > >> > >> As for telecomuters - it is pure gain, because telecommuter is > >> living abroad and do not utilize state "services" like police, > >> health care, social secure, etc. in the same time working > for that > >> country instead of native country. > >> > >> I hope you understand me. > > > > > -- > Regards, > Alex mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF > provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow > provided by proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists > hosted by gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
