I agree. There may be certain cases where certain features are mutually exclusive. For example, desire for absolute highest possible packet throughput may be at odds with some feature that requires a large amount of processing per packet. However, even in that case, I think it will still be in everyone’s best interest to make it at least an install-time configurable option.
I don’t see the ARB’s function as deciding what features are “allowed” to be developed. The function is to provide guidance and coordination in order to allow contributors to cooperate without tripping each other up. Anybody who absolutely needs to maintain a private fork in order to meet a due date for a feature with a lot of money behind it can do so, but it’s still going to be better for them to eventually integrate it upstream than to diverge permanently. From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Harshad Nakil Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 14:13 To: Jakub Pavlik <jpav...@mirantis.com> Cc: dev <dev@lists.opencontrail.org> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] [TSC WG] Transitioning to open source - PLEASE VOTE Wouldn’t this be true of anybody who is serious developer in open contrail. Either they have need for a feature in their cloud or they are getting a fat check. For Speed of development they will have private fork. However it is in their interest to sync with main branch, otherwise they lose the benefit of community. So I would not be worried about it. Regards -Harshad On Sep 26, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Jakub Pavlik <jpav...@mirantis.com<mailto:jpav...@mirantis.com>> wrote: +1 to Robert On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote: Greg, The moment marketing will bring a check with the money the feature will be implemented by Juniper and it will ship regardless who says what outside of that. So you have only two choices here .. * Let Juniper marketing drive the features and keep single code base or * Split Open Contrail into two independent code branches one driven by Juniper and one pure open source which pretty soon will be incompatible with each other. Cheers, R. On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote: Greg, > Can you think of a candidate who can dictate architecture both to Juniper > internal engineering and all other community participants? How’s your spare > time now-a-days? On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> wrote: Harshad, while in general I agree. It is simply too hard to find such. Since Linus and Vish are not applying for the job I am afraid that an attempt to impose such as system, may lead to what I experienced while Nicira led Neutron. I would not call that benign. Do you remember Bill Jolitz by any chance? Then you understand my concern about handing the keys over. BSD386 kicked Linux ass when they both came out. Linux was just barely more functional then Minux, yet it put BSD386 into the ground in less than 1 year. Sun’s ARB worked ok for every Berkley ass on it, there was a kindly mentor who would help you understand what your code should be, creating a counter balance. If we find the right candidate we can reorganize the ARB around a chief architect with assistants to help carry the load. So far no volunteers internally from Juniper. Can you think of a candidate who can dictate architecture both to Juniper internal engineering and all other community participants? How’s your spare time now-a-days? Thanks Greg From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> on behalf of Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> Date: Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 7:49 PM To: "Gasparakis, Joseph" <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com<mailto:joseph.gaspara...@intel.com>> Cc: dev <dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] [TSC WG] Transitioning to open source - PLEASE VOTE IMHO architecture board does not work and design by committee does not work. You really need a benevolent dictator. Regards -Harshad On Sep 24, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Gasparakis, Joseph <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com<mailto:joseph.gaspara...@intel.com>> wrote: Thank you all. Clearly option is the winner, and this is the direction we take moving forward, thank you all for your voting. Voting is now closed. Regards, Joseph -------- Original message -------- From: gu...@certusnet.com.cn<mailto:gu...@certusnet.com.cn> Date: 9/23/17 03:17 (GMT-08:00) To: "Gasparakis, Joseph" <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com<mailto:joseph.gaspara...@intel.com>>, dev <dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] [TSC WG] Transitioning to open source - PLEASE VOTE Hi, Support option #2. Regards Gengliang Guo From: Gasparakis, Joseph<mailto:joseph.gaspara...@intel.com> Date: 2017-09-20 03:34 To: 'dev@lists.opencontrail.org'<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> Subject: [opencontrail-dev] [TSC WG] Transitioning to open source - PLEASE VOTE Hi all, Transitioning into an open source model it makes sense for Juniper to have for the first public release more control than others since they have all the knowledge and it makes sense for them to be able to prevent radical architectural changes. In the last TSC WG call we came up with a few proposals: 1. Allow someone in Juniper have veto powers to reject a proposed change 2. Create an Architectural Review Board (ARB as defined in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zNIVEOY3XsnUdYKy1ddwgjJoOV-Iwx1pHU_8ViYlTFs/edit<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1zNIVEOY3XsnUdYKy1ddwgjJoOV-2DIwx1pHU-5F8ViYlTFs_edit&d=DwMCaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs&m=9TFxAtQI_7jSQ2oa1xI7ets0wS_J49PN6d5qWwwVBn8&s=qvV9qp2w3N36Lg5uaVH2QzdUKHdJjOe0teYOjavDCgg&e=>) that will be reviewing in order to accept or reject architectural proposals, and Juniper to have the majority of the seats so they can control by the power of majority what goes in and what not. If we decide for 2, we can choose at a later stage if we will have an ARB ongoing or only for this first release. Please vote one of the two options and for the sake of openness and transparency REPLY ALL so your vote is visible to the whole list. If I receive any private votes I will be forwarding them to this list. Also please vote by end of day today as we would like to have this decision made during the summit tomorrow. 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