+1 to Robert On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net> wrote:
> Greg, > > The moment marketing will bring a check with the money the feature will be > implemented by Juniper and it will ship regardless who says what outside of > that. > > So you have only two choices here .. > > * Let Juniper marketing drive the features and keep single code base > > or > > * Split Open Contrail into two independent code branches one driven by > Juniper and one pure open source which pretty soon will be incompatible > with each other. > > Cheers, > R. > > > > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net> wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> > Can you think of a candidate who can dictate architecture both to >> Juniper internal engineering and all other community participants? How’s >> your spare time now-a-days? >> >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gregory Elkinbard < >> gelkinb...@juniper.net> wrote: >> >>> Harshad, >>> while in general I agree. It is simply too hard to find such. Since >>> Linus and Vish are not applying for the job I am afraid that an attempt to >>> impose such as system, may lead to what I experienced while Nicira led >>> Neutron. I would not call that benign. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do you remember Bill Jolitz by any chance? Then you understand my >>> concern about handing the keys over. BSD386 kicked Linux ass when they both >>> came out. Linux was just barely more functional then Minux, yet it put >>> BSD386 into the ground in less than 1 year. Sun’s ARB worked ok for every >>> Berkley ass on it, there was a kindly mentor who would help you understand >>> what your code should be, creating a counter balance. >>> >>> >>> >>> If we find the right candidate we can reorganize the ARB around a chief >>> architect with assistants to help carry the load. So far no volunteers >>> internally from Juniper. Can you think of a candidate who can dictate >>> architecture both to Juniper internal engineering and all other community >>> participants? How’s your spare time now-a-days? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Harshad >>> Nakil <hna...@gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 7:49 PM >>> *To: *"Gasparakis, Joseph" <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com> >>> *Cc: *dev <dev@lists.opencontrail.org> >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [opencontrail-dev] [TSC WG] Transitioning to open source >>> - PLEASE VOTE >>> >>> >>> >>> IMHO architecture board does not work and design by committee does not >>> work. >>> >>> You really need a benevolent dictator. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> -Harshad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Gasparakis, Joseph < >>> joseph.gaspara...@intel.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you all. Clearly option is the winner, and this is the direction >>> we take moving forward, thank you all for your voting. Voting is now >>> closed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> >>> From: gu...@certusnet.com.cn >>> >>> Date: 9/23/17 03:17 (GMT-08:00) >>> >>> To: "Gasparakis, Joseph" <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com>, dev < >>> dev@lists.opencontrail.org> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] [TSC WG] Transitioning to open source - >>> PLEASE VOTE >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Support option #2. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Gengliang Guo >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Gasparakis, Joseph <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com> >>> >>> *Date:* 2017-09-20 03:34 >>> >>> *To:* 'dev@lists.opencontrail.org' <dev@lists.opencontrail.org> >>> >>> *Subject:* [opencontrail-dev] [TSC WG] Transitioning to open source - >>> PLEASE VOTE >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Transitioning into an open source model it makes sense for Juniper to >>> have for the first public release more control than others since they have >>> all the knowledge and it makes sense for them to be able to prevent radical >>> architectural changes. >>> >>> >>> >>> In the last TSC WG call we came up with a few proposals: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Allow someone in Juniper have veto powers to reject a proposed >>> change >>> >>> 2. Create an Architectural Review Board (ARB as defined in >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zNIVEOY3XsnUdYKy1ddwgjJo >>> OV-Iwx1pHU_8ViYlTFs/edit >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1zNIVEOY3XsnUdYKy1ddwgjJoOV-2DIwx1pHU-5F8ViYlTFs_edit&d=DwMCaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs&m=9TFxAtQI_7jSQ2oa1xI7ets0wS_J49PN6d5qWwwVBn8&s=qvV9qp2w3N36Lg5uaVH2QzdUKHdJjOe0teYOjavDCgg&e=>) >>> that will be reviewing in order to accept or reject architectural >>> proposals, and Juniper to have the majority of the seats so they can >>> control by the power of majority what goes in and what not. >>> >>> >>> >>> If we decide for 2, we can choose at a later stage if we will have an >>> ARB ongoing or only for this first release. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please vote one of the two options and for the sake of openness and >>> transparency REPLY ALL so your vote is visible to the whole list. If I >>> receive any private votes I will be forwarding them to this list. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also please vote by end of day today as we would like to have this >>> decision made during the summit tomorrow. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> <image002(09-23-18-15-40).png> >>> >>> Joseph Gasparakis >>> >>> Intel Corporation >>> >>> Networking Platforms Group >>> >>> Architecture Division >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dev mailing list >>> Dev@lists.opencontrail.org >>> http://lists.opencontrail.org/mailman/listinfo/dev_lists.ope >>> ncontrail.org >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.opencontrail.org_mailman_listinfo_dev-5Flists.opencontrail.org&d=DwMCaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs&m=9TFxAtQI_7jSQ2oa1xI7ets0wS_J49PN6d5qWwwVBn8&s=X9ai0GdDLCNzU4vd3-Fl3XRdqhUSYBPghyB_Abskb3Y&e=> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dev mailing list >>> Dev@lists.opencontrail.org >>> http://lists.opencontrail.org/mailman/listinfo/dev_lists.ope >>> ncontrail.org >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dev mailing list > Dev@lists.opencontrail.org > http://lists.opencontrail.org/mailman/listinfo/dev_lists.opencontrail.org > > -- Jakub Pavlik +420 602 177 027 jpav...@mirantis.com
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