On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 12:44:07PM -0300, Megver83 wrote: > > I agree, there aren't proves yet >
And there haven't been for the past few months since this has started. I think it's high time we take at least qt5-webengine of the blacklist. Once someone can actually prove something (which in the past *few months* no one has managed to do) then it can go back on the blacklist as we reevaluate evidence. Until then, any discussion on what to do with 'non-free' chromium is just pointless. > El 09/05/17 a las 12:40, Nicolás A. Ortega escribió: > > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:55:09AM -0300, Megver83 wrote: > >> Is this really an internal problem of Parabola? I say this > >> because, what if other distros adopt qt5-webengine? then it will > >> become a bigger problem not only for us, but for the other free > >> distros too. Maybe we should discuss this with the FSF and/or the > >> GNU Project, they could fork Chromium/Iridium/Ungoogled-chromium > >> like they did with Icecat (like creating an "Icemium"). > >> > > > > Or Ungoogled-Chromium/Iridium could attempt to join the GNU > > project. > > > >> For now, I think the best thing would be to blacklist the > >> packages that depend on webengine, after all, it is nonfree, and > >> we block a lot of free software that depends or works only with > >> nonfree packages (with no [libre] replacement). > > > > I would like to ask, what exactly is non-free about qt5-webengine? > > The only argument I've heard so far is that it uses Chromium, yet > > there is still no real dirt on Chromium being non-free. Unless > > someone can start pointing out specific files in qt5-webengine's > > source/dependencies that are non-free I would propose taking it off > > the blacklist. This has been going on for way too long and we're > > getting ahead of ourselves. First you make it evident that it is > > non-free *then* you begin discussion on how to deal with it. This > > is putting the cart in front of the ox. If someone is suspected of > > murder then you do not start thinking about what their sentence > > should be until they have been convicted. Let's please be at least > > a little bit skeptical of how so much effort has been going in to > > blacklisting chromium and anything using it but absolutely no > > valid evidence is anywhere to be found. > > > > I will say as I have in a previous e-mail (and something I > > mentioned in the Quarantine Process proposal that seems to have > > been lost in the huge donation issue bruhaha) that this information > > should all be concentrated in *one place* that is easily accessible > > for everyone to see and should be easily edited in the case that > > certain sources are wrong (as I have seen them to be in this > > enormous mess we've been in for months now). > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev > > > > - -- > SIP: [email protected] > XMPP: [email protected] > Tox: [email protected] > GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 > GNUSocial: @[email protected] > Diaspora*: David P. (same XMPP ID) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbbnEtPDYwNxDLPbkInynxVayungFAlkR48QACgkQInynxVay > unjaUwf+K+YW+lky9QW4LrNvQf1wbtqismShIRxPo1288gGGUsYifCSw32Fnx2QP > 85ert6lICFzj5MJOEckks2eDSYCIg0FUha/UVVXGvKSdinjf/BymGltJ9s1ksJGp > IPcT1RXDE2Ake36+y7m6RYQd8KyaoOCO+8YdvE/6SWeV0D1xx2GNuCEgRihYyzpb > ahgIXP15X5mrV5oCLhrSNDMs6qoZ1HA6iKD1XCZvre5BCmWrReBIXz8dEQ8Ly/km > TOq1TD8SyXL+pZ6gw8bkzWhjOI6gkatpuPlTehMiHLxD0mYwmcMZa3faH2K/CqgQ > 2/+yj4+CslsiAZFuCHbOY6Voc3C0xA== > =Xp0R > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev -- Nicolás Ortega Froysa (Deathsbreed) https://themusicinnoise.net/ http://uk7ewohr7xpjuaca.onion/ Public PGP Key: https://themusicinnoise.net/[email protected]_pub.asc http://uk7ewohr7xpjuaca.onion/[email protected]_pub.asc
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