On Jan 18, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Robert Muir wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gsing...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Robert Muir wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't help but remind myself, this is the same argument Oracle
>>> offered up for the whole reason hudson debacle
>>> (http://hudson-labs.org/content/whos-driving-thing)
>>> 
>>> Declaring that I have a secret pocket of users that want XYZ isn't
>>> open source consensus.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You were very quick to cite your own secret pocket of users when you called 
>> those who support it the "vocal minority".  So, if you want to continue 
>> baiting the discussion we can, but as I see it, we have committers willing 
>> to support it, so what's the big deal?
> 
> I don't think they are that secret, you can look at the last maven
> discussion and see several other committers who spoke up against it.
> they are just sick of the discussion i gather and have given up
> fighting it.

Wow, so who is the vocal minority now?  

> 
> The problem again, is the magical special artifacts.
> 
> I dont see consensus here for maven... when you have it, get back to me.

As I see, it you have you, Shai and Miller (and Yonik, likely from the last go 
around).  On the Maven side, you have me, Steve, McKinley and Busch, plus some 
users/contributors. 

In other words, I don't see consensus for dropping it.  When you have it, get 
back to me.  
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