Hello James, James Walker wrote:
> Charles, > Basically what this boils down to is, > Does a MarCon need permission from the community Council to attend, as > an Official Rep of OOo, a conference? As a MarCon, he/she has certain deeds and rights. As a person, he/she is free as in speech of course. A MarCon can do some local PR but has to work in coordination with the Marketing project. In this regard, were Ryan, as a WestCoast-USA MarCon, to attend the DLS and have a booth there, I think he should at least notify the Marketing Project. But what I don't understand, and I know I'll make people angry in writing this, is that when it comes to the US the community (or part of it) is for some reason unable to think reasonably. Why, oh why, did Ryan want to represent OOo, get some funding from the community, represent the OD Fellowship and maybe even more entities to an event that was seen as problematic as early as last year, while at the same time putting Linspire people, Bob Sutor, and Simon Phipps in copy of his mail? He first went to them before even knowing what the OOo cmmunity would do with this. What do all these people have to do with this decison? What does Bob Sutor and Simon Phipps have to do with Linspire? Next time I'll hand up an OOo poster, I'll make sure to send Johnatan Schwartz a mail reporting on this... In any NL project, the community/representatives collect money locally or do without, set a booth, print the documents listed on the MP website or translated inside the NL project and post a nice comment about it on the list. Unfortunately, this list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been the place for incompetence, endless chats, pathological inability to understand what OOo is all about and, for that matter, one of the most useless mailing lists in the entire FOSS history. The only thing that happened in *months*, if I remember well here is Bernhard Dipphold's vote on the OOo slogan The very sad part about this is that there are a bunch of good people inside the Marketing project. They are working on PR, on the Newsletter, on strategy, etc. They keep doing their job voluntarily, and notice, they do it in a consensual and non conflictual way. They do not dance around what the To-Do's list like the great marketing experts some others pretend to be. And you want to know what's even sadder? Nobody gives a damn about what's going on about the OOo development, and should I say, not even about marketing. While we are talking, do you even realize we're having problems for releasing the 2.0.1? Do you know that a huge number of issues waits to be verified and/or closed? You don't need to be a developper for this, far from that. So the only thing I have to say here is: stop chit-chatting and get back to work. All this is not the fault of the "OOo bureaucracy" as some tend to explain. It is the fault of people who imho have nothing to do here. Other comments inline. > > > Then the following problems present themselves. Most MarCons have a > Native Language project that helps them do things, some of these > discussions happen on the list for that language, The US and UK do not > have a Native Language project. so all discussions with those areas > happen on the main marketing list. By doing so the whole community > tries to decide whether or not something is appropriate for the US or > UK MarCons to do. Well, same for the NL projects. Do you think that chinese volunteers and MarCons do not talk among themselves (knowing that the Chinese community encompasses PRC, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, and the diaspora)? > This seems to always spark heated conversations between several people > (most of these are about DLS, mainly because it is sponsored by > Linspire, though attendded by several companies) > Personally I do not think that a MarCon needs permission to attend a > Conference in there country, after all they were picked to represent > the community already. James, I'm sorry to tell you this: Marketing needs coordination and communication. You can't do anything you want with OOo's public image. I'm sure Ryan understands now that acting as he did was unwise. > > This is just how I see it, If I am totally wrong someone, I am sure, > will correct me and put me in my place. It's not about "putting you in your place". I'm sincerely sorry to see such things happen. Also, don't take my words here personally. I'm frustrated by all this and seriously consider to unsubscribe myself from this list. Best, Charles. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
