On 1/31/10, Juergen Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > first of all sorry that i reply on this thread because it is a slightly > different topic. But i would like ask some questions to clarify the > situation. > > On 1/15/10 9:30 AM, eric b wrote: >> Hi Jürgen, >> >> >> Sorry for the delay, but I don't have a lot of time for mails. >> >> Le 12 janv. 10 à 10:57, Juergen Schmidt a écrit : >>>> >>>> Not exactly : we did a lot, but outside of the OOo website. >>> that is my first question, why? >>> >> >> >> Since two years, the Education Project, received a lot of bad knocks >> (mostly me in fact) and the strategy was to block every try to create >> something new. > i don't know exactly what you mean, can you please so kind to provide > concrete examples. It would really help to understand what went wrong if > we know the details. > >> Worse: some projects derivated the Education part, what is not really >> kind from a "Community" point of view. > again, can you please give concrete examples what you mean here. > >> >> Back to your question, externalize everything was an answer to that: do >> it fastly, without bad constraints, and innovate for true. And proof the >> current model is .. sub optimal. > mmh, it's an opinion and strategy that i personally don't really > understand and from a project perspective don't really like. If there > are problems, then they should be addressed in some way and we should > try to find a solution together. > > >> >> The fact is, Education Project innovated a lot, and since it has some >> visibility, more bad knocks arrive. > again Eric without being a little bit more concrete, such comments are > difficult to understand. And i would really like to understand it. > > Anyway many activities driven from the education project are very > interesting and promising. And i am sure many people are interested to > help and to make it a success. But many things overlap with other areas > and it is important to work together as one project. That is one reason > why i always see our project structure as a virtual and internal one. > For me there is only one global project and that is OpenOffice.org. > OpenOffice.org with all the sub-projects and different activities in > different areas. > >> >> >>> Creativity >>>> needs freedom, and OpenOffice.org website does not exactly provide the >>>> tools we need. >>> no objections for freedom but is this really true and have you tried it. >> >> >> >> Yes, it is : we have extremely efficient and active lists, outside of >> the common organisation, and our work ( through OOo4Kids) is well >> appreciated. The Campus Libre is promising too. > nobody says that these external communication channels are not > effective. The question is what exactly did you miss on the OOo website. > > For example what was the reason for moving the discussion away from the > existing mailing lists of the education project? I don't understand this > without knowing details. > >> Other good example is OOo4Kids : we created a good communication with >> OLPC community, and Gdium community too. > good to hear that > >> >> All this is extremely good for OpenOffice.org Project, and extends the >> community. >> >>> In case of your mentioned http://educoo.edulibre.org/ i see a drupal >>> system the same framework that we use for our extension site. >> >> Indeed. FYI, EduLibre is yet another french non profit association. >> >>> We have several different services under services.openoffice.org. Can >>> you give concrete details please. >>> >> >> The reason is this is still experimental, and we work with other non >> profit associations (not only EduLibre), and we can not decide everything. >> >>> Should it be considered or evaluated again because the education >>> project is an official OpenOffice.org project >> >> >> What should be considered again ? The experimental Forge ? Again, this >> is still experimental, and Edulibre is another non profit association. >> What is the problem ? Isn't OpenOffice.org a Community ? >> When I read you, I have some doubts ... >> >> If you mean the Education Project : since two years, it is blocked as >> "Incubator project", but maybe things could improve, indeed. >> >>> and from my point of it should run under the OOo umbrella and the >>> typical OOo design. >> >> What means "OOo "Umbrella" term exactly ? > for me it is that all the services should be under the same domain > (openoffice.org or services.openoffice.org) and should have a common > design. And yes there is still room for improvements in the area of a > common design. But the same domain shouldn't be a problem and it simply > gives a better picture to the outside. But that is my personal opinion. > >> >> For example, I read "NeoOffice" is supported in the official >> OpenOffice.org forums. Why BTW ? So why not officialy support OOo4Kids >> in the forum too ? OOo4Kids is under LGPL V3 license, and this is really >> more compatible with OOo than NeoOffice :-) ? > i don't know and of course i see no reason why OOo4Kids shouldn't be > supported there as well. Have you tried it? > >> >> >> Back to design : -personal opinion- I don't like Sun design, sorry. >> Probably because I'm not good with design myself ... :-) > I think and as far as i know the OOo webpage (the current design) was > mainly designed by the community. It isn't Sun's design. > >> >> Nevertheless, thanks for your point of view. Mine is : OOo umbrella mean >> Sun corp, and if it is commonly accepted that OpenOffice.org is a >> "Community Project", then, other projects, identified as "friends" >> should belong too. >> >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> There is an ONG backing it up with EducOO and there is some real work >>>>> happening on some areas of education including OOo4Kids >>>>> (http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/) and Efforts. But some are still being >>>>> developed like the "CampusLibre" project. >>>> >>>> Just FYI : >>>> >>>> - we created strong links with the schools we worked with, and around 20 >>>> students have been mentored since two years >>>> >>>> - OpenOffice.org Education Project today counts ~ 110 members (was only >>>> 7 or 8 when I started ... ) >>>> >>>> - Campus Libre Project counts ~ 200 members : >>>> http://campus-libre.educoo.org/index.php >>> my personal problem with this site is that it is french and i don't >>> speak french. >> >> >> Strange, if I'm not wrong, the site should be localized (I'll >> investigate). I remember it was working for a brazilian poeple who >> wanted to join. Now, something is maybe broken, and the reason why we >> did not fully translate the site is simply : resource reasons (remember >> : we are not paid and do everything in our free time) >> >> FYI, Brasilian, spanish, german, and other for sure people and some >> other, have joined. Just help is needed. >> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> - Edulibre (free Forge for collaborative work) is new and operationnal >>>> (we'll launch it soon officially) : http://educoo.edulibre.org/ >>>> >>>> - is the XO port *not* something concrete ? FYI, OOo4Kids will be in the >>>> next Sugar version : we created a strong link with another community >>> what is the XO port? >> >> >> XO port is the port of OOo4Kids to the OLPC machines ( 900MHz / 256 MB >> of RAM /.1GB hard disk). > thanks, i have already remembered it as well. > >> >> This port helped to extend the OOo community (no way to make OOo run on >> those machines). >> >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> - Aren't ClassRooms concrete ? ( everything is on the OpenOffice.org >>>> wiki ) >>>> >>> they are and i think they are very useful. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> The goal of the presentation was giving exposure to the whole >>>>> Education project so it couldn't be very practical. >>>> >>>> >>>> Exactly : one hour is very limited, and the content is generic, but >>>> dedicated presentations can be done on demand. >>> why haven't you replied on the FOSDEM CFP that i have send on the >>> education list as well. >> >> >> Since 4 years already, and every year, I did a conference, or devroom at >> FOSDEM for OpenOffice.org Project . That's one of my prefered events in >> the year. >> >> But this year is unfortunaly not possible, for family reason. And that's >> simply why I can't propose something, nothing else (my family has always >> the priority). > no problem if you can't attend in person. Your family should have always > a higher priority ;-) For me it is important that the special aspect > education is represented in some way. You don't have to and you can't do > everything on your own Eric. That is natural and no problem. Nobody > expect it. That's one reason why "together" is so important. > Responsibilities and to-dos can be shared if necessary. > >> >> >> >>> Too bad that we have the education project not there or represented. >> >> >> I'll ask Thorsten Behrens to represents the Education Project. Thorsten >> is extremely well appreciated from the students, contributes a lot to >> the Education Project, and is every day present on the >> #education.openoffice.org channel. With me, he helped the students >> zillions of times, and I have no doubt he will certainly accept to >> replace me.. > that would be good. It would be also good if you can provide some infos > for the shared presentation that we plan to run as a continuous > presentation at the booth. > >> >> >>> I would be happy if you can provide us some information that we can at >>> least present at the booth. >>> >> >> >> Since I got a new -and reliable - car, I'll try to attend the friday >> (afternoon, or evening), until saturday begining of afternoon (not >> sure). Must discuss the thing with my wife :-) > > i hope to see you there > > Juergen
my suggestion is to go to the education IRC rooom and understand where ericb is comming from, is just better than trying to force an answer. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: [email protected] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
