On Sep 9, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Stephen Connolly <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9 September 2014 12:42, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Sep 8, 2014, at 10:34 PM, Benson Margulies <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> You current CLA is sufficient. You'll the author of the code, you can >>>> contribute it to Apache. We need to find the people on that list who do >> not >>>> have a CLA on file. >>>> >>> >>> Your CLA is sufficient if you, yourself, commit it to an Apache repo. >> Since >>> we're planning to push a repo full of contributions from github to >> apache, >>> the CLA is not enough on its own. >> >> Explain to me how the CLA doesn't cover this case? Whether the code sat on >> your machine for 10 years or traveled through 20 repos. It's still your >> code and the conditions of the CLA apply. When code comes into the >> incubator here or goes into Eclipse no one signs a letter of intent. They >> sign CLAs. >> > > Your CLA covers the code that you contribute to the Apache Foundation (or > intend to contribute) and does not cover code you contribute elsewhere. > Yes, this is patently obvious. Go look at the process by which a new repository of code is inducted into Apache. What we are doing is no different and requires no additional special procedure. Again, there's no harm in a letter of intent. It is perfunctory as a provenance mechanism. > The code in plexus was intended to be contributed to the plexus project and > thus there is no demonstrated intent to contribute to Apache. > > We just need a demonstration of intent from all significant contributors, a > simple email to the dev list saying something like "I am happy to have my > contributions to plexus contributed to the Apache Maven project" would > suffice > > >>> Everyone has to indicate their intent to >>> contribute this particular set of stuff. Under the AL, this happens if >> you >>> commit as a committer, or send a patch to a mailing list, or make a PR. >>> Since none of those things are happening, I suggested that contributors >>> send mail to the dev@ list saying, 'ok, I want to contribute my content >>> from these plexus repos.' >> >> This is not necessary and I'm not sure how you arrived at this conclusion >> but there's no harm in sending a message of intent. The CLA makes no >> specific provisions for how the file is transmitted to the target entity or >> that it matters, only that the contributor asserts the work is there's to >> contribute under the submitted license. A lawyers is not going to look at a >> message sent to a mailing list for intent, they are going to look at a set >> of contributed files and determine if those files are covered by CLAs on >> hand. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> here is the new version with csv files and committers deduplicate >>>>> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html >>>>> >>>>> now we need to ask for everybody's attribution of his contributions, >> and >>>> we'll >>>>> see how much we cover from each component >>>>> >>>>> some components should be easy to cover fully, like plexus-cli >>>>> some will be harder... >>>>> >>>>> to start, I'm ready to give ASF all my contributions: how should I >>>> proceed? >>>>> some formal e-mail on this ML? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Hervé >>>>> >>>>> Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 23:22:39 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : >>>>>> improved the automatic summary >>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose the next step will be to create a csv to be able to work on >>>>>> figures with a spreadsheet >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no time at the moment, will try tomorrow if nobody beats me >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Hervé >>>>>> >>>>>> Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 15:01:58 Benson Margulies a écrit : >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Kristian Rosenvold < >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> But I still assume we need to get some kind of idea of how good is >>>>>>>> good enough. At some point there's going to be a significant >>>>>>>> contributor we won't be able to get hold of. We might be able to >> work >>>>>>>> around this by removing code or similar, but I don't think there is >>>>>>>> any point in starting a massive search for people if 100% is the >> only >>>>>>>> permitted result. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there any way we could get some idea of what kind of requirement >>>>>>>> we'd be facing ? Can we acceptably simply delete contributions from >>>>>>>> people we can't get hold of (that may work in some cases) ? We >>>>>>>> usually operate on a "200 line" quota for requiring a CLA; can we >>>>>>>> disregard people with smaller contributions ? (And if so, would that >>>>>>>> be *total* 200 lines or "per submission" ...?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, you can open a JIRA at LEGAL, and/or communicate with the >> board. I >>>>>>> recommend completing the survey first. No one there likes to answer >>>>>>> hypothetical questions; having an actual set of facts will grossly >>>> improve >>>>>>> the conversation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kristian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-09-07 1:01 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> Cool, with your tool can you aggregate that into a single list of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> userIds/Names and then remove us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I recognize most of the non-us and with that list we can contact >> them >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> all at once if we want. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> here are more accurate statistics: >>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Le samedi 6 septembre 2014 09:39:20 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> I satrted to write down the count of contributors done by github, >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> link, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Plexus+dependencies >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure figures are relevant: >>>>>>>>>>> - missing contributions? it seems so, I looked at plexus-velocity >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> older >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> commits are not counted... >>>>>>>>>>> - every contribution has to be taken into account? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> we'll probably need to do more manual work: will need to dispatch >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> components >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to avoid one to do the work for everything >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> then we'll need to figure out the process details: I read >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html, I suppose >>>> I'll >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have as >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maven Chair some work to do (any help from other members >>>>>>>>>>> appreciated), >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> still don't understand precisely >>>>>>>>>>> i will need some explanations from people with experience, >> probably >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IRC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wil be more efficient >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hervé >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 23:18:14 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>> ok, so how do we do the next step? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hervé >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 06:49:02 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a look through a few projects, and it would seem to me >> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> "know" 90% of the committers because they are all associated >> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> maven, most of them are also active. There's a further 5 or so >>>>>>>>>>>>> committers that are well known community folks that we could >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> get hold of easily. It would appear to me this group is 95% or >> so >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the commits. There's a handful of names I am unsure if we'll be >>>>>>>>>>>>> able >>>>>>>>>>>>> to locate, the contributions I've seen from these names are >>>> small. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it all amounts to something like this: >>>>>>>>>>>>> For quite a few of the plexus repos we have close to 100% of >> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> committers as currently active maven community members. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For yet another bunch of projects we have one or two >> significant >>>>>>>>>>>>> non-maven contributors that we may be able to get hold of. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For plexus-utils the list is a bit longer, but there's a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>> smaller contributions that'd normally go below the CLA radar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose we'd need to get some kind of exact metric to measure >>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>> we were to make an even more structured attempt at evaluating >>>>>>>>>>>>> compliance..? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristian >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-03 21:50 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For everything significant where significant is defined as >> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines. I don't think we have any of those, and if we actually >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> expunged >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the source classes we don't actually use we're definitely >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> safe.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Benson Margulies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If _everyone_ is present and accounted for, I agree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Jason van Zyl < >> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think everyone is making this 10x more complicated >> than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our existing CLAs apply. If you wrote the code, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For modello, plexus-utils, and plexus-classworlds we're >>>> covered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I can tell.>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Kristian Rosenvold >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To my best knowledge, *all* of the substantial contributors >>>> to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plexus repositories I have seen are available to us, most >> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PMC's or emeritus, and still "around" in some fashion or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could we make all of them submit some kind of written >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submission >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF ? I would actually think that would cover a decent >>>> 95% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significant contributions, and in quite a few (maybe even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all...) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the repos it would cover 100% ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I am assuming they'll be willing to make such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submission...) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-03 19:07 GMT+02:00 Benson Margulies >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Karl Heinz Marbaise >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gang, doesn't the board of the ASF have very strong, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> negative, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings about ASF PMC's controlling and maintaining >> code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any evident about that ? any official statement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from ASF Board ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm working on getting a pointer to a written policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apache-software-foundation-> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> la >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> un >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ches-apache-extras/#!bO9wnv describes a scheme to allow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _not_ an Apache PMC to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manage Apache-related projects. There is, I predict, a >> fine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between 'some people who happen to be Maven PMC members' >> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 'the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven PMC', and I'm trying to save us from getting swatted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I confess that I found this whole topic extremely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confusing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what with the googlecode 'Apache Extras' business. We >>>> might >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask for some clarification before we go here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 2:56 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked Github to give us github.com/maven for our >> 3rd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> party >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone is using it. Maybe Hervé can setup >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apachemaven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move those Git repositories there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately github.com/apachemaven is also occupied >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:09 AM, Kristian Rosenvold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have started talking about moving them somewhere, >>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have come tom restart that discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can either ask Brian for access or have one of >> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committers apply your pull request. Just a regular >> pull >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github should do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-01 22:37 GMT+02:00 Karl Heinz Marbaise >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i just want to know how we handle things which are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like plexus-archiver etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently i'm diving into some problems and want to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> checkin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvments >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the plexus-archiver... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can i gain commit access to those components ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 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