Good to see some interest in helping with project maintenance. Qian can you start a new email about figuring out the roadmap for the project?
Thanks, Vinod > On Feb 18, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Charles-François Natali <cf.nat...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Speaking as someone who contributed a few patches and would like to get > more involved, I find it a bit difficult to get MRs reviewed and merged. > I think it's probably because the current committers have other priorities > now that D2iQ focus has shifted, which is understandable but makes it > harder for outsiders to contribute. > Is there anything which could be done about that? > > Cheers, > > > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021, 14:30 Qian Zhang, <zhq527...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Vinod, >> >> I am still interested in the project. As other folks said, we need to have >> a direction for the project. I think there are still a lot of Mesos >> users/customers in the mail list, can you please send another mail to >> collect their requirements / pain points on Mesos, and then we can try to >> set up a roadmap for the project to move forward. >> >> >> Regards, >> Qian Zhang >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:16 PM Andrei Sekretenko <asekrete...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> IIUC, Attic is not intended for projects which still have active users >>> and thus might be in need of fixing bugs. >>> >>> Key items about moving project to Attic: >>>> It is not intended to: >>>> - Rebuild community >>>> - Make bugfixes >>>> - Make releases >>> >>>> Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have >>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the >>> board are all good candidates for the Attic. >>> >>> As a D2iQ employee, I can say that if we find a bug critical for our >>> customers, we will be interested in fixing that. Should the project be >>> moved into Attic, the fix will be present only in forks (which might >>> mean our internal forks). >>> >>> I could imagine that other entities and people using Mesos are in a >>> similar position with regards to bugfixes. >>> If this is true, then moving the project to Attic in the near future >>> is not a proper solution to the issue of insufficient bandwidth of the >>> active PMC members/chair. >>> >>> --- >>> A long-term future of the project is a different story, which, in my >>> personal view, will "end" either in moving the project into Attic or >>> in shifting the project direction from what it used to be in the >>> recent few years to something substantially different. IMO, this >>> requires a _separate_ discussion. >>> >>> Damien's questions sound like a good starting point for that >>> discussion, I'll try to answer them from my committer/PMC member >>> perspective when I have enough time. >>> >>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 12:49, Charles-François Natali >>> <cf.nat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Tomek, that's what I suspected. >>>> It would therefore make it much more difficult for anyone to carry on >>> since it would effectively have to be a fork, etc. >>>> I think it'd be a bit of a shame, but I understand Benjamin's point. >>>> I hope it can be avoided. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021, 11:02 Tomek Janiszewski, <jani...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Moving to attic is making project read only >>>>> https://attic.apache.org/ >>>>> https://attic.apache.org/projects/aurora.html >>>>> >>>>> czw., 18 lut 2021, 11:56 użytkownik Charles-François Natali < >>> cf.nat...@gmail.com> napisał: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not familiar with the attic but would it still allow to actually >>>>>> develop, make commits to the repository etc? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021, 08:27 Benjamin Bannier, <bbann...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Vinod, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to start a discussion around the future of the Mesos >>>>>>> project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you are probably aware, the number of active committers and >>>>>>> contributors >>>>>>>> to the project have declined significantly over time. As of today, >>>>>>> there's >>>>>>>> no active development of any features or a public release >>> planned. On the >>>>>>>> flip side, I do know there are a few companies who are still >>> actively >>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> Mesos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for starting this discussion Vinod. Looking at Slack, mailing >>>>>>> lists, JIRA and reviewboard/github the project has wound down a lot >>> in >>>>>>> the last 12+ months. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given that, we need to assess if there's interest in the >>> community to >>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>> this project moving forward. Specifically, we need some active >>> committers >>>>>>>> and PMC members who are going to manage the project. Ideally, >>> these would >>>>>>>> be people who are using Mesos in some capacity and can make code >>>>>>>> contributions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I have seen a few non-committer folks contribute patches in >>> the >>>>>>> last months, I feel it might be too late to bootstrap an active >>>>>>> community at this point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apache Mesos is still mentioned prominently in the docs of a number >>> of >>>>>>> other projects which gives off the impression of an active and >>>>>>> maintained project. In reality almost nobody is working on issues or >>>>>>> available to help users, and basing a new project on Apache Mesos >>> these >>>>>>> days is probably not a good idea. I honestly do not see that to >>> change >>>>>>> should new people step up and IMO the most honest way forward would >>> be >>>>>>> to move the project to the attic to clearly communicate that the >>> project >>>>>>> has moved into another phase; this wouldn't preclude folks from >>> using or >>>>>>> further developing Apache Mesos, but would give a clear signal to >>> users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If there is no active interest, we will likely need to figure out >>> steps >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> retiring the project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Call for action: If you are interested in becoming a >>> committer/PMC >>>>>>> member >>>>>>>> (including PMC chair) and actively maintain the project, please >>> reply to >>>>>>>> this email.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like I wrote above, I would be in favor of a vote to move Apache >>> Mesos >>>>>>> to the attic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Benjamin >>>>>>> >>> >>
