I'm thinking we can create a document in the http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/design-docs/ section (Drive document) as a central point for discussing the roadmap and future of a new Mesos era.
A lot of interesting things we can do, I have IMHO interesting ideas regarding Mesos and edge devices (embedded systems) and other things we can discuss. Let's reboot this awesome project. -- Javi Roman Twitter: @javiromanrh GitHub: github.com/javiroman Linkedin: es.linkedin.com/in/javiroman Big Data Blog: dataintensive.info On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:05 PM Vinod Kone <vinodk...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good to see some interest in helping with project maintenance. > > Qian can you start a new email about figuring out the roadmap for the > project? > > Thanks, > Vinod > > > On Feb 18, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Charles-François Natali < > cf.nat...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Speaking as someone who contributed a few patches and would like to get > > more involved, I find it a bit difficult to get MRs reviewed and merged. > > I think it's probably because the current committers have other > priorities > > now that D2iQ focus has shifted, which is understandable but makes it > > harder for outsiders to contribute. > > Is there anything which could be done about that? > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021, 14:30 Qian Zhang, <zhq527...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Vinod, > >> > >> I am still interested in the project. As other folks said, we need to > have > >> a direction for the project. I think there are still a lot of Mesos > >> users/customers in the mail list, can you please send another mail to > >> collect their requirements / pain points on Mesos, and then we can try > to > >> set up a roadmap for the project to move forward. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Qian Zhang > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:16 PM Andrei Sekretenko < > asekrete...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> IIUC, Attic is not intended for projects which still have active users > >>> and thus might be in need of fixing bugs. > >>> > >>> Key items about moving project to Attic: > >>>> It is not intended to: > >>>> - Rebuild community > >>>> - Make bugfixes > >>>> - Make releases > >>> > >>>> Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who > have > >>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties > to the > >>> board are all good candidates for the Attic. > >>> > >>> As a D2iQ employee, I can say that if we find a bug critical for our > >>> customers, we will be interested in fixing that. Should the project be > >>> moved into Attic, the fix will be present only in forks (which might > >>> mean our internal forks). > >>> > >>> I could imagine that other entities and people using Mesos are in a > >>> similar position with regards to bugfixes. > >>> If this is true, then moving the project to Attic in the near future > >>> is not a proper solution to the issue of insufficient bandwidth of the > >>> active PMC members/chair. > >>> > >>> --- > >>> A long-term future of the project is a different story, which, in my > >>> personal view, will "end" either in moving the project into Attic or > >>> in shifting the project direction from what it used to be in the > >>> recent few years to something substantially different. IMO, this > >>> requires a _separate_ discussion. > >>> > >>> Damien's questions sound like a good starting point for that > >>> discussion, I'll try to answer them from my committer/PMC member > >>> perspective when I have enough time. > >>> > >>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 12:49, Charles-François Natali > >>> <cf.nat...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks Tomek, that's what I suspected. > >>>> It would therefore make it much more difficult for anyone to carry on > >>> since it would effectively have to be a fork, etc. > >>>> I think it'd be a bit of a shame, but I understand Benjamin's point. > >>>> I hope it can be avoided. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021, 11:02 Tomek Janiszewski, <jani...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Moving to attic is making project read only > >>>>> https://attic.apache.org/ > >>>>> https://attic.apache.org/projects/aurora.html > >>>>> > >>>>> czw., 18 lut 2021, 11:56 użytkownik Charles-François Natali < > >>> cf.nat...@gmail.com> napisał: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm not familiar with the attic but would it still allow to actually > >>>>>> develop, make commits to the repository etc? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021, 08:27 Benjamin Bannier, <bbann...@apache.org> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Vinod, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I would like to start a discussion around the future of the Mesos > >>>>>>> project. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As you are probably aware, the number of active committers and > >>>>>>> contributors > >>>>>>>> to the project have declined significantly over time. As of today, > >>>>>>> there's > >>>>>>>> no active development of any features or a public release > >>> planned. On the > >>>>>>>> flip side, I do know there are a few companies who are still > >>> actively > >>>>>>> using > >>>>>>>> Mesos. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks for starting this discussion Vinod. Looking at Slack, > mailing > >>>>>>> lists, JIRA and reviewboard/github the project has wound down a lot > >>> in > >>>>>>> the last 12+ months. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Given that, we need to assess if there's interest in the > >>> community to > >>>>>>> keep > >>>>>>>> this project moving forward. Specifically, we need some active > >>> committers > >>>>>>>> and PMC members who are going to manage the project. Ideally, > >>> these would > >>>>>>>> be people who are using Mesos in some capacity and can make code > >>>>>>>> contributions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> While I have seen a few non-committer folks contribute patches in > >>> the > >>>>>>> last months, I feel it might be too late to bootstrap an active > >>>>>>> community at this point. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Apache Mesos is still mentioned prominently in the docs of a number > >>> of > >>>>>>> other projects which gives off the impression of an active and > >>>>>>> maintained project. In reality almost nobody is working on issues > or > >>>>>>> available to help users, and basing a new project on Apache Mesos > >>> these > >>>>>>> days is probably not a good idea. I honestly do not see that to > >>> change > >>>>>>> should new people step up and IMO the most honest way forward would > >>> be > >>>>>>> to move the project to the attic to clearly communicate that the > >>> project > >>>>>>> has moved into another phase; this wouldn't preclude folks from > >>> using or > >>>>>>> further developing Apache Mesos, but would give a clear signal to > >>> users. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If there is no active interest, we will likely need to figure out > >>> steps > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> retiring the project. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *Call for action: If you are interested in becoming a > >>> committer/PMC > >>>>>>> member > >>>>>>>> (including PMC chair) and actively maintain the project, please > >>> reply to > >>>>>>>> this email.* > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Like I wrote above, I would be in favor of a vote to move Apache > >>> Mesos > >>>>>>> to the attic. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Benjamin > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >
