Hi Justin, The situation is more complex than you may think. Let me explain following the timeline. It is based on my point of view, so please feel free to comment or to make objection over the items.
(1) Project initiated in response to a request by ASF. Miracl and NTT are initial committers, and PMCs are from Miracl. The project started engineering work and it goes successful. (2) The official repository was opened at GitHub, but committers had no access right to the repository. I remember it is because of disputes among Committers, PMCs and ASF members on the toolset we work on. Engineers would like to use Git but some ASF members insisted SVN, so is for Slack vs email, JIRA vs email, and so on. It does not mean ASF locked out committers, but seemed that people in ASF and PMC simply did not agree and could not decide anything about the access. (3) Committers and PMC members continued engineering works at a working fork repository (actually it is a fork of an empty repository) and committed the code there. It is originally intended for the emergency, and have continued since then. (4) Committers have been requesting AFS members and PMCs to resolve the access right issue. So far no progress. The official repository was left empty. (5) The engineering work reached release candidate. The work is done at the working forks. (6) Nick and I tried to restart the project by resolving the access right issue. So far unsuccessful. It is because our facilitation did not make PMCs responsive enough. (7) PMCs stopped being active. It is because of an external issue. NTT have been requesting ASF for help on resolving the inactive PMC issue. (8) Now we are here. Justin, please be noted that the situation requires us to consider various criterion on the amount of contribution. It is easy to say that the fork repositories are not parts of the Apache activities to remove the problem, but I do not think it is a fair and sincere response as a non-profit organization of software engineering. Regards, Go Yamamoto -----Original Message----- From: Justin Mclean [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: RE: RE: Project status - time to retire? HI, > What is the blocker for ASF to help us to add PMC members? The blocker is a project one, not an ASF one. The ASF (or the IPMC) doesn't add PPMC members, the project does. The existing PPMC would needs to appoint them for their contributions to the project here at Apache. Given that I see little or no contributions to this project here at Apache, how could the PPMC (even assuming they are active) consider anyone for committership or as a PPMC member? Thanks, Justin
