Agree with Indu's points: email list usability and features seems inferior compared to the discussion forum, so I would suggest to keep things simple and stick with the forum.
Hagay On Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 06:37 Timur Shenkao <t...@timshenkao.su> wrote: > user mail list > > Pros: > - Apache user mail list is indexed and kept forever in mailing lists. Very > convenient. > - Apache user mail list is indexed by search engines actively and info > appears in search results pretty soon. > - You just get e-mails and when you have spare time read & answer them. > > Cons: > - Unless there are active people, user mail list may become "cemetery" of > unanswered questions > > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Marco de Abreu < > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > Very good points Indu. I also think that the discussion forum is > definitely > > of big value and that we should keep it. But I also don't think it would > > hurt anybody is we open up a new channel of communication, considering > that > > managing an email list doesn't cause any additional overhead. > > > > Indhu <indhubhara...@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 16. Juni 2018, 00:37: > > > > > I prefer the discuss forum over email for following reasons: > > > > > > 1. It is easier for newcomers. People can login using Facebook, Twitter > > or > > > GitHub Id > > > > > > 2. The format is much more readable for people who search for something > > in > > > a search engine and land on the page. > > > > > > 3. Markdown support makes it easier to read code in the discussion. > > > > > > 4. Like button and marking a reply as answer signals the usefulness of > an > > > answer. > > > > > > That said, if a reasonable number of people like email lists better, > I'm > > > not against it as far as it can co-exist along with the discuss forum. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Indu > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 11:23 PM Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion, Tianqi. I still would love to listen others' > > > > opinion on the topic to really assert anything. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:41 Tianqi Chen <tqc...@cs.washington.edu> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Then who should represent the users who are using the forums but > not > > > the > > > > > mail-list? I personally think it is a bit abuse use of the term > > "Apache > > > > > way" to force our mind into the entire community... Maybe I am > > wrong.. > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Sergio Fernández < > wik...@apache.org > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I do respect what you discussed in that meetup, if course. > > But > > > > for > > > > > > those who weren't there, maybe the decision taken what a bit > bias. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Apache we like to say that "if it didn't happen on the mailing > > > list > > > > s, > > > > > > it didn't happen" ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Look like there are different feelings about this. Should I cast > a > > > > VOTE? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:27 Tianqi Chen < > tqc...@cs.washington.edu> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do think we are targeting all the community, but we must also > > > agree > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the voice of users from the meetup is a representative sample > of > > > > users' > > > > > > > demand, and it is important that we respect that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández < > > > wik...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really hope > > we > > > > are > > > > > > > > thinking a bit beyond that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen < > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in Seattle, we > > > did a > > > > > > > survey, > > > > > > > > > and most users preferred the current discuss forum. So I > > would > > > > say > > > > > we > > > > > > > > stick > > > > > > > > > with that given the user community prefers that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández < > > > > > wik...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, if everybody agree, let's request the mailing list > > > > creation > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > INFRA > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers are also > > > > > subscribed > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > since they may be the most informed people for answering > > > users' > > > > > > > > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > But the topics discussed there may not be of the interest > > for > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > development purposes. Some discussions will jump from > > users@ > > > > to > > > > > > dev@ > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > at a different level. So I wouldn't forward one mailing > > list > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu > > > > > > > > > > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think nobody was opposed to it in the past, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd propose that all emails automatically get copied to > > > dev@ > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ensure > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > visibility initially. What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebastian <s...@apache.org> schrieb am Fr., 15. Juni > > 2018, > > > > > 20:51: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already proposed this many times in the past > and > > > > would > > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > > encourage it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is there any good reason why the podling doesn't > > have a > > > > > > users@ > > > > > > > > > > mailing > > > > > > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Honestly speaking, I'm not a big fan of the other > > tools > > > > the > > > > > > > > podling > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > using. Slack and Web forums a cool tools, and I > used > > > > them a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > contexts. But when it comes to transparency and > > > > community, > > > > > > > > mailing > > > > > > > > > > > lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > play a crucial role in the Apache Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Users are the most important asset a project can > > have. > > > > Even > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > developers, believe me. So I think it's time to > > create > > > a > > > > > > users@ > > > > > > > > > > > mailing > > > > > > > > > > > > > list for to helping MXNet grow its community beyong > > the > > > > > core > > > > > > > > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
