what happens (also) happens in the mail-list.

If there is a certain things or person’s contribution is only known by
colleagues, it is a indication of things that should be improved toward
more apache way.


On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:42 AM Isabel Drost-Fromm <isa...@apache.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 10:03:57PM -0800, Steffen Rochel wrote:
> > I agree with Tianqi on "One approach toward building a more diverse
> > community is to acknowledge the fact that we want to encourage
> interactions
> > in the Apache way beyond our physical cycle." However, I disagree with
> his
> > suggestion regarding "One principle to toward that is to encourage PMC
> > members only nominate committers from other organizations" for the
> > following reasons: [...]
> I spent quite some time digging remembering that a similar topic had been
> discussed somewhere at the ASF at some point in time with many whys, pros
> and
> cons towards contributor employer diversity - finally found a long and
> winding
> thread there:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7a7412316ddbe1d43f5fb3d3703ea25a6b26e56de602e27e175785c0@1337815698@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> There is one answer in there from Roy Fielding which has a similar story
> to the
> one that you are describing, Steffen. My main takeaway of what was
> discussed
> back then: "Diversity is only a warning sign that means we need to check
> for
> decisions made in our forums and advise accordingly."
> The questions I personally tend to ask myself: How easy is it to follow the
> project from just subscribing to it's mailing lists (remember the "if it
> didn't
> happen on the mailing list, it didn't happen"), get active, get involved,
> be
> treated as a fellow project member and be voted in as committer and PMC
> member.
> For a more condensed text on the topic of "ASF projects are made of
> individuals"
> you might also want to check out the ASF guidelines over there:
> https://www.confluent.io/apache-engineering-guidelines/
> https://www.confluent.io/apache-guidelines
> Related material was published at ApacheCon :
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFNE0IpKOxU
> There's also lovely content that was recently produced over at
> dev@community:
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/183nXPAxpJymQBOYOt1FnFaahRcQskIvOyIvHRC6UAnE/edit#slide=id.g4a86a2ca5a_0_69
> Isabel

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