what happens (also) happens in the mail-list. If there is a certain things or person’s contribution is only known by colleagues, it is a indication of things that should be improved toward more apache way.
Tianqi On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:42 AM Isabel Drost-Fromm <isa...@apache.org> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 10:03:57PM -0800, Steffen Rochel wrote: > > I agree with Tianqi on "One approach toward building a more diverse > > community is to acknowledge the fact that we want to encourage > interactions > > in the Apache way beyond our physical cycle." However, I disagree with > his > > suggestion regarding "One principle to toward that is to encourage PMC > > members only nominate committers from other organizations" for the > > following reasons: [...] > > I spent quite some time digging remembering that a similar topic had been > discussed somewhere at the ASF at some point in time with many whys, pros > and > cons towards contributor employer diversity - finally found a long and > winding > thread there: > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7a7412316ddbe1d43f5fb3d3703ea25a6b26e56de602e27e175785c0@1337815698@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > > There is one answer in there from Roy Fielding which has a similar story > to the > one that you are describing, Steffen. My main takeaway of what was > discussed > back then: "Diversity is only a warning sign that means we need to check > for > decisions made in our forums and advise accordingly." > > The questions I personally tend to ask myself: How easy is it to follow the > project from just subscribing to it's mailing lists (remember the "if it > didn't > happen on the mailing list, it didn't happen"), get active, get involved, > be > treated as a fellow project member and be voted in as committer and PMC > member. > > For a more condensed text on the topic of "ASF projects are made of > individuals" > you might also want to check out the ASF guidelines over there: > https://www.confluent.io/apache-engineering-guidelines/ > https://www.confluent.io/apache-guidelines > > Related material was published at ApacheCon : > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFNE0IpKOxU > > There's also lovely content that was recently produced over at > dev@community: > > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/183nXPAxpJymQBOYOt1FnFaahRcQskIvOyIvHRC6UAnE/edit#slide=id.g4a86a2ca5a_0_69 > > > Isabel > >