Sean Schofield wrote: >Oliver, > >Everyone seemed to agree this was a good idea except for you. For the >record I simply stated that "I think we should consider the matter >closed." I did not say "The matter is closed." So that was an >opinion/suggestion, not an ultimatum. > >We could take a vote if you insist. In the past, we have tried to >avoid voting unless it was for a release issue or something major. > >Suggestion: Instead of complaining to me about wanting to reach a >conclusion, perhaps you could respond intelligently to the reasoning >cited by people in this thread. > > All right, so it gets personal again :-( I don't agree and therefore my reasoning is not intelligent. Ok, I take note of that and am very very sorry for being such a stupid.
I still do not agree but also have no interest in this discussion anymore as it will lead to nothing. So I started a vote thread on the topic, you have my vote there, so go for it. I promise I will not bother you with my stupid opinions and unintelligent reasoning anymore. Live long and prosper, Oliver >sean > >On 6/29/05, Oliver Rossmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Sean, >> >>just a formal question: by which way did you get the power to end this >>discussion and to decide what has to happen? And in case there are >>divergent opinions on any topic in the future will it always be you who >>has the power to decide? >> >>You propose to follow the "formal and informal practices of the other >>projects" so please take yourself literally and do it the ASF way: start >>a formal vote on the topic. >> >>Oliver >> >>Sean Schofield wrote: >> >> >> >>>As for removing the jars from SVN, I think we should consider this >>>matter closed. Its a good idea for several reasons which Craig, >>>Martin and others have articulated quite clearly. Not only will this >>>save bandwith (and therefore money) for the ASF, but it brings us into >>>compliance with the standard by which other ASF projects do things. >>> >>>When possible, the various ASF projects should try to do things in a >>>similar fashion. Regardless of how one might decide to do things in >>>their corporate environment, ASF has its own way of doing things. >>>MyFaces should comply with the formal and informal practices of the >>>other projects whenever there is not a compelling reason to deviate >>> >>> >>>from those norms. >> >> >>>There is still the matter of including jars in the binary distro, etc. >>>where I can see advantages and disadvantages to the two approaches. >>>But as far as jars in SVN are concerned, it seems quite clear that >>>this practice should end. >>> >>>sean >>> >>>On 6/27/05, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>And we're working on just such a list of the dependencies. That is >>>>one benefit of moving the jars out of SVN. I took the approach that >>>>the Struts build uses. The build script clearly lists the depencies >>>>and the version numbers required. >>>> >>>>Of course we could have that without removing the jars from SVN too. >>>>But its 100% essential if we don't supply the jars and so now we have >>>>it. Both sides should be happy on this point :-) >>>> >>>>sean >>>> >>>>On 6/27/05, ir. ing. Jan Dockx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On 25 Jun 2005, at 20:43, Craig McClanahan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>For the record, I am absolutely and totally -1 on including JAR files >>>>>>in the source code repository of any Apache project that I work on. >>>>>>Including them in a binary distribution, of course, is a totally >>>>>>different animal. >>>>>> >>>>>>Craig >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Even then. (see previous post). In my opinion (for as much as that of a >>>>>user counts), only end-user products should contain all dependencies. >>>>>Libraries should never, but instead list the dependencies with all >>>>>needed information, including what each dependency is needed for. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Met vriendelijke groeten, >>>>> >>>>>Jan Dockx >>>>> >>>>>PeopleWare NV - Head Office >>>>>Cdt.Weynsstraat 85 >>>>>B-2660 Hoboken >>>>>Tel: +32 3 448.33.38 >>>>>Fax: +32 3 448.32.66 >>>>> >>>>>PeopleWare NV - Branch Office Geel >>>>>Kleinhoefstraat 5 >>>>>B-2440 Geel >>>>>Tel: +32 14 57.00.90 >>>>>Fax: +32 14 58.13.25 >>>>> >>>>>http://www.peopleware.be/ >>>>>http://www.mobileware.be/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>-- >>Oliver Rossmueller >>Software Engineer and IT-Consultant >>Hamburg, Germany >>http://www.rossmueller.com >> >> >> >> -- Oliver Rossmueller Software Engineer and IT-Consultant Hamburg, Germany http://www.rossmueller.com
