I'd like to clarify: we haven't seen the codebase at all, and Sean
hasn't, either.

Sean has looked at some of the structure of how things are done, and
we should really wait to see the real treat.

Yes, Ted, you are absolutely right, let's wait for the source code
being available in public to decide what steps we take from there.

regards,

Martin

On 12/29/05, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/29/05, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That was my understanding as well.  It would seem to apply to this
> > project where the integration work to be done is rather daunting and
> > it remains to be seen if those that want to see it happen will put in
> > the work to make it happen.
>
> Experimental codebase is why projects have sandboxes.
>
> Since we are already an ASF project, the only value-add of
> experimenting in the Incubator, rather than our own sandbox, is the
> opportunity to bypass the meritocratic process and have the Incubator
> PMC create Apache accounts for the ADF developers on speculation.
>
> Since we have a working project, I believe the ADF developers should
> earn their karma the old fashioned way. For this effort to succeed, I
> believe that we also need the support of the existing MyFaces
> committers. If the success of this product is dependant on salaried
> Oracle developers, then we should stop now.
>
> As to who would help, so far we've seen one definate
>
> +1 == I myself will help
>
> and it came from Gary VanMatre, who is an Apache Struts Committer.
>
> If we are going to move forward with this, we will need a lot more
> people to weigh in and say that they themselves will help. But, at
> this point, few of us really know what we would be helping with.
> Oracle has not filed the grant paperwork, nor posted a snapshot. We
> are the blind leading the blind.
>
> Under the circumstances, I would suggest that we table the thread
> until the snapshot is available, and we all know what it is that we
> are discussing. We can't expect people to volunteer to refactor a
> codebase that most of us haven't seen, or seen since April.
>
> -Ted.
>


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