On Feb 13, 2008 8:48 PM, Volker Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > copied from http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes : > > ... Releases may not be vetoed. ... > > To my understanding of this text the release manager just needs three > +1 votes to release, even if there are -1 votes also. And as i wrote, > this was not meant as a veto.
yep. even 10 -1 votes. No veto. It is up to the release mgr. > > I have no problem reverting the vote to -0 if needed to unblock the release. > > There where many questions on the list in the past, about when > (tomahawk) sandbox gets released, and the answer was always the same: > never. the (main) problem is, that people are expecting *stable* APIS from releases. (wasn't always the case... ;-), but they expect it) > > The new tree is a special problem, it is supposed to replace the > existing one, and maybe needs a bit more testing before. I would > prefer to release the 1.0.15 now without sandbox and than just replace > the tree and release 1.0.16 without any further changes. interesting idea; I was also in the NEVER boat, in the past, but Bernd is right, that a tree will never be tested (that much), when it is in sandbox. Putting some notes (this component is not stable / experimental) in the TLD/Java DOC I think we/you are fine. if we go your path, the folks that *simple* update Tobago, may get unexpected results, not sure if that the way is, we/you want to go. > > I we release this tree as sandbox, users needs to use the tcs prefix, > if we finally replace the old tree the tcs has no longer a tree > component. I know this is in the nature of a sandbox, but i think > also the nature of sandbox are no official releases. deleting a sandbox component is not a big deal, IMO to sum. I think I prefer to have the sandbox being part of the release > > And again to make it unambiguous: this was NOT a veto vote. :-) > > > Regards, > Volker > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/2/13, Grant Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > +1 > > > > Volker, perhaps you should modify your -1 to -0.5 in order for the ambiguity > > of a veto to be removed. My understanding of reading the voting guidelines > > is that -1 stops a release in it's tracks until it is withdrawn. > > > > With regard to inclusion of the sandbox, I think if it is documented as > > experimental in nature in the release notes, it would be acceptable. > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2008 9:11 AM, Udo Schnurpfeil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > I'm lucky with the sandbox in the release, because the sandbox stuff may > > > be used and testet with less effort. > > > I think there is no benefit to leave it out in the release. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Udo > > > > > > Volker Weber schrieb: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > -1 > > > > (Note: this is no Veto, just a personal oppinion > > > > > > (http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes)) > > > > > > > > IMHO we should not include sandbox into a release distribution. > > > > > > > > We could provide a download link to a tagged stable sandbox 1.0.15 > > > > build, but not inclusde this into a official release. > > > > If there is somthing in sandbox which should released we should move it > > to core. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Volker > > > > > > > > 2008/2/11, Bernd Bohmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > >> Hello, > > > >> > > > >> I would like to release Tobago 1.0.15, > > > >> > > > >> This release contains only 11 changes. > > > >> For a detail list please consult the release notes: > > > >> > > > >> > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310273&styleName=Html&version=12312929 > > > >> > > > >> The version is available at the staging location and the > > > >> revision number of the release is 620572 and tagged as tobago-1.0.15. > > > >> > > > >> Staging distribution: > > > >> > > > >> http://people.apache.org/~bommel/repo/ > > > >> > > > >> Staging repository: > > > >> > > > >> http://people.apache.org/~bommel/repo/ > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> > > > >> Bernd > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> The Vote is open for 72h. > > > >> > > > >> [ ] +1 > > > >> [ ] +0 > > > >> [ ] -1 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Grant Smith > > > > > > -- > inexso - information exchange solutions GmbH > Bismarckstraße 13 | 26122 Oldenburg > Tel.: +49 441 4082 356 | > FAX: +49 441 4082 355 | www.inexso.de > -- Matthias Wessendorf further stuff: blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
