Hi,

Am Montag, dem 10.04.2023 um 13:02 +0200 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga:
> My feeling on this discussion is that, yes, it’s unfortunate that we’re
> getting to fruitful discussion only at this late stage — but better late
> than never and without this useful thread we wouldn’t have been getting
> where we’re getting at all.
> 
> Could one way forward be to do a Zoom call with all those invested in this
> (and then bring everything decided back to this mailing list) during the
> coming week, unless we can already predict that that will not bring us
> further.

I see no basis for a discussion. There are two people saying, that they
would help with working on JDK 8 support, but that does not answer how
people not wanting to stay in the past shall be included. Lets stay
with the example already establieshed: maven indexer. I was so fed up
with this dicussion, that I did the prototype, not the two people that
advocated JDK 8 support is a good idea. So why should I expect this to
get better in the future?

Given that "#4795 Use frgaal compiler to compile NetBeans" was reopend.
I have a serious WTF moment. I'm denied access to modern API, but the
author wants a backporting compiler? All this accomplishes is getting
us further away, from what is Java in my mind. I verifies concerns that
were raised by others for previous PRs.

At some point NetBeans was cool from me, because it did not reinvent
the wheel (Swing vs. SWT). Reality makes me reconsider this.

What I'm missing to the "API stability" and "Compatibility" axis is the
sustanibilty axis. Seriously arguing for using older, most probably
unmaintained libraries will not fly with me. Lucene as one such example
is a beast and learning it once is enough, learning it twice, once for
serious interest and once for NetBeans JDK 8 support is useless (for
me). And the "let then run NetBeans in degraded mode on JDK 8" idea
won't fly, because it will cause strage issue, which are not triaged by
the JDK 8 interested people.

Greetings

Matthias

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