I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we have a separate mailing list, i.e., [email protected].
Based on previous NetCAT programs, there should be quite a few people signed up that mailing list and a lot of very specific NetCAT discussion. Then, after that NetCAT program, when 9.0 is released, we can re-evaluate whether it makes sense to have a separate mailing list for this under Apache. Jirka Kovalsky, who has been leading NetCAT from the beginning, has provided a lot of info on NetCAT on the Apache NetBeans Wiki over the last few days: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+FAQ Those not familiar with this program, please read the above links and many thanks to Jirka for putting this info together. Gj On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Jiří Kovalský <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh, too bad that PNG files are treated as a potential threat. > > Here we go then: > > http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/images/2/21/Emails_traffic_netcat81.png > > -Jirka > > Dne 24.5.2017 v 10:58 Emilian Bold napsal(a): > > > I believe the mailing list is stripping attachments. >> >> --emi >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Jiří Kovalský <[email protected] >> > >> wrote: >> >> And now with the chart. :) >>> >>> Apologies, >>> -Jirka >>> >>> Dne 24.5.2017 v 09:22 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a): >>> >>> Emilian is right that typically the traffic is high in the beginning. >>> This >>> >>>> can result in getting between 20 - 50 mails daily with purely NetCAT >>>> related content. Please see attached chart with e-mail traffic during >>>> NetCAT 8.1 program. >>>> >>>> Secondly, having a separate mailing list helps monitoring the traffic >>>> and >>>> producing exactly charts like the one attached. Mixing NetCAT >>>> communication >>>> with other stuff via dev@ list will not work, because people never got >>>> used to prefixing subjects of their e-mails. Due to this it will be more >>>> difficult to recognize best NetCAT contributors at the end of the >>>> programs. >>>> >>>> -Jirka >>>> >>>> Dne 23.5.2017 v 22:34 Emilian Bold napsal(a): >>>> >>>> NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are >>>> >>>>> actively contributing on current development. >>>>> >>>>> The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other >>>>> dev@ >>>>> discussions. >>>>> >>>>> I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317 >>>>> messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest >>>>> of >>>>> the months are more quiet. >>>>> >>>>> So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ >>>>> mailing >>>>> list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too. >>>>> >>>>> PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions >>>>> mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move Platform >>>>> discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having >>>>> NetCAT >>>>> on >>>>> dev@. >>>>> >>>>> 1. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbean >>>>> s.org_projects_www_lists_netcat_archive&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1 >>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo >>>>> -v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1 >>>>> CIXawS100MA&s=WTmG5BwrWCnGwglW8cw0lCw4AboaVPvgigT9U9oc2D8&e= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --emi >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler < >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be >>>>> >>>>>> extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well >>>>>> over >>>>>> a >>>>>> decade. This is just helping transition this process here: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.net >>>>>> beans.org_NetCAT&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTp >>>>>> kKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m= >>>>>> NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1CIXawS100MA&s=i9LpYyOEqmDz4G >>>>>> W-zFFBWjWDzfMlM4T66DA24YnVZFM&e= >>>>>> >>>>>> Wade >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Geertjan! >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC. >>>>>>> The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list? >>>>>>> I'm usually reluctant to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> do it once we get proper traffic. >>>>>>> Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect? >>>>>>> Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium. >>>>>>> Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the >>>>>>> community >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>> the lists is often much more work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> txs and LieGrue, >>>>>>> strub >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga < >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, especially mentors, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Community >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> done, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> features, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> the NetCAT program can start. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new >>>>>>>> NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> final >>>>>>> >>>>>>> approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the >>>>>>>> Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be >>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final >>>>>>>> testing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> steps >>>>>>> >>>>>>> of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What are the steps to request this mail alias? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Geertjan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>
