I agree with this. Too, I think that traffic will be quite a bit of noise for the dev channel actually; a couple more hundred a month is a good amount if one stacks on a healthy and growing dev list. I imagine we will already get the NB platform traffic here initially.
Wade On May 25, 2017 6:41 AM, "Geertjan Wielenga" < [email protected]> wrote: > I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we have a > separate mailing list, i.e., [email protected]. > > Based on previous NetCAT programs, there should be quite a few people > signed up that mailing list and a lot of very specific NetCAT discussion. > > Then, after that NetCAT program, when 9.0 is released, we can re-evaluate > whether it makes sense to have a separate mailing list for this under > Apache. > > Jirka Kovalsky, who has been leading NetCAT from the beginning, has > provided a lot of info on NetCAT on the Apache NetBeans Wiki over the last > few days: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0 > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+FAQ > > Those not familiar with this program, please read the above links and many > thanks to Jirka for putting this info together. > > Gj > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Jiří Kovalský <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Oh, too bad that PNG files are treated as a potential threat. > > > > Here we go then: > > > > http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/images/2/21/Emails_traffic_netcat81.png > > > > -Jirka > > > > Dne 24.5.2017 v 10:58 Emilian Bold napsal(a): > > > > > > I believe the mailing list is stripping attachments. > >> > >> --emi > >> > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Jiří Kovalský < > [email protected] > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> And now with the chart. :) > >>> > >>> Apologies, > >>> -Jirka > >>> > >>> Dne 24.5.2017 v 09:22 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a): > >>> > >>> Emilian is right that typically the traffic is high in the beginning. > >>> This > >>> > >>>> can result in getting between 20 - 50 mails daily with purely NetCAT > >>>> related content. Please see attached chart with e-mail traffic during > >>>> NetCAT 8.1 program. > >>>> > >>>> Secondly, having a separate mailing list helps monitoring the traffic > >>>> and > >>>> producing exactly charts like the one attached. Mixing NetCAT > >>>> communication > >>>> with other stuff via dev@ list will not work, because people never > got > >>>> used to prefixing subjects of their e-mails. Due to this it will be > more > >>>> difficult to recognize best NetCAT contributors at the end of the > >>>> programs. > >>>> > >>>> -Jirka > >>>> > >>>> Dne 23.5.2017 v 22:34 Emilian Bold napsal(a): > >>>> > >>>> NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are > >>>> > >>>>> actively contributing on current development. > >>>>> > >>>>> The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all > other > >>>>> dev@ > >>>>> discussions. > >>>>> > >>>>> I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has > 317 > >>>>> messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the > rest > >>>>> of > >>>>> the months are more quiet. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ > >>>>> mailing > >>>>> list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too. > >>>>> > >>>>> PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions > >>>>> mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move > Platform > >>>>> discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having > >>>>> NetCAT > >>>>> on > >>>>> dev@. > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbean > >>>>> s.org_projects_www_lists_netcat_archive&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1 > >>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo > >>>>> -v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1 > >>>>> CIXawS100MA&s=WTmG5BwrWCnGwglW8cw0lCw4AboaVPvgigT9U9oc2D8&e= > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --emi > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler < > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be > >>>>> > >>>>>> extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well > >>>>>> over > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> decade. This is just helping transition this process here: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.net > >>>>>> beans.org_NetCAT&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTp > >>>>>> kKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m= > >>>>>> NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1CIXawS100MA&s=i9LpYyOEqmDz4G > >>>>>> W-zFFBWjWDzfMlM4T66DA24YnVZFM&e= > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Wade > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg" <[email protected] > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Geertjan! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC. > >>>>>>> The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list? > >>>>>>> I'm usually reluctant to introduce lists and resources upfront. > I'd > >>>>>>> only > >>>>>>> do it once we get proper traffic. > >>>>>>> Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect? > >>>>>>> Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium. > >>>>>>> Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the > >>>>>>> community > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the lists is often much more work. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> txs and LieGrue, > >>>>>>> strub > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga < > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [email protected]>: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi all, especially mentors, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Community > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation > is > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> done, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> features, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the NetCAT program can start. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies > new > >>>>>>>> NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> final > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., > the > >>>>>>>> Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be > >>>>>>>> done > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> by > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final > >>>>>>>> testing > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> steps > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence > we'd > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> like a > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What are the steps to request this mail alias? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Geertjan > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >
