> I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using NetBeans
and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively move
away from.

As a counterpart to this, I don't know where the millions of NetBeans users
are.

I don't see them in real life, not on social media, not on issues, wiki,
anywhere!

We should be flooded, no?

So, the plain answer is that most of the people use something free without
giving anything back. Moving away from this will be harmful to the project.

The question then is how to grow the involved *and* the silent user base.
My impression is that it also involves money.

--emi

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Yes, we're working right now on changing the licenses to Apache. Hard to
> know when that will be done, but it should be within this month, I think.
>
> We could then focus on releasing that -- i.e., the first release would
> consist of all the new JDK 9 features (Jigsaw, JShell, etc), together with
> then relicensed source code.
>
> And, in terms of people only wanting to be users -- I think that time is
> coming to an end. People will need to contribute -- whether it is answers
> to questions on the mailing list, new FAQs, blog entries, Twitter, code, or
> whatever -- everyone that uses NetBeans will need to become actively
> involved in the community, which doesn't take much time at all -- a nice
> tweet about NetBeans takes about 5 seconds to write.
>
> I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using NetBeans
> and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively move
> away from.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Christian Lenz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Often People ask for NetBeans 9 and yes we already know that, because
> > geertjan often said that it is up to all of us 😉. But often People only
> > want to be users as I say it often. They want to use NetBeans. Ok anyway
> > but the Thing is, do we have a specific date like a release Roadmap for
> NB
> > 9.0 for the first release? If not, then we should have one. The old
> Roadmap
> > from Oracle is now obsolete,  right? So we should think about it.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>

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