No, that's not the same. When you say there are "millions of NetBeans users", that's not the same as "one million NetBeans users" and, again, that number is the absolute peak -- that's not necessarily the most consistent number, just its absolute height, in one particular month over a particular year.
Gj On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:05 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < [email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, there are no millions of NetBeans users. > > Also think about something else -- there are supposedly 9 million or so > Java developers in the world. Whenever ZeroTurnaround puts together a > survey, they have a massive struggle to even get 2000 people (of 9 > million!) to fill in their survey. > > So, it's not about NetBeans but about the fact that, indeed, the vast > majority are simply users. The excellent thing about the Apache Foundation > is that once something is in Apache, it is clear that involvement and > engagement is needed and I think -- as we're already seeing -- that > involvement will increase. > > Gj > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> There's already several people involved in Apache NetBeans that weren't >> involved at all before. >> >> And, no one has ever said that there are "millions of NetBeans users". At >> its height, NetBeans has been in use by about 1.5 million people -- i.e., >> that's measured per month and the most popular months have always been the >> first months of the school/college/university year, i.e., a large subset of >> NetBeans users are students studying Java. In time, a segment of that group >> could also become involved, e.g., by contributing code or fixing bugs, etc, >> i.e., not beginner students but maybe in their 2nd or 3rd year or so, or >> maybe students doing their thesis, etc. >> >> But, no, there definitely are not millions of NetBeans users, no one has >> ever claimed that. >> >> Gj >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> > I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using >>> NetBeans >>> and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively >>> move >>> away from. >>> >>> As a counterpart to this, I don't know where the millions of NetBeans >>> users >>> are. >>> >>> I don't see them in real life, not on social media, not on issues, wiki, >>> anywhere! >>> >>> We should be flooded, no? >>> >>> So, the plain answer is that most of the people use something free >>> without >>> giving anything back. Moving away from this will be harmful to the >>> project. >>> >>> The question then is how to grow the involved *and* the silent user base. >>> My impression is that it also involves money. >>> >>> --emi >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > Yes, we're working right now on changing the licenses to Apache. Hard >>> to >>> > know when that will be done, but it should be within this month, I >>> think. >>> > >>> > We could then focus on releasing that -- i.e., the first release would >>> > consist of all the new JDK 9 features (Jigsaw, JShell, etc), together >>> with >>> > then relicensed source code. >>> > >>> > And, in terms of people only wanting to be users -- I think that time >>> is >>> > coming to an end. People will need to contribute -- whether it is >>> answers >>> > to questions on the mailing list, new FAQs, blog entries, Twitter, >>> code, or >>> > whatever -- everyone that uses NetBeans will need to become actively >>> > involved in the community, which doesn't take much time at all -- a >>> nice >>> > tweet about NetBeans takes about 5 seconds to write. >>> > >>> > I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using >>> NetBeans >>> > and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively >>> move >>> > away from. >>> > >>> > Gj >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Christian Lenz <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Often People ask for NetBeans 9 and yes we already know that, because >>> > > geertjan often said that it is up to all of us 😉. But often People >>> only >>> > > want to be users as I say it often. They want to use NetBeans. Ok >>> anyway >>> > > but the Thing is, do we have a specific date like a release Roadmap >>> for >>> > NB >>> > > 9.0 for the first release? If not, then we should have one. The old >>> > Roadmap >>> > > from Oracle is now obsolete, right? So we should think about it. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Cheers >>> > > >>> > > Chris >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> >> >
