Sorry, there are no millions of NetBeans users. Also think about something else -- there are supposedly 9 million or so Java developers in the world. Whenever ZeroTurnaround puts together a survey, they have a massive struggle to even get 2000 people (of 9 million!) to fill in their survey.
So, it's not about NetBeans but about the fact that, indeed, the vast majority are simply users. The excellent thing about the Apache Foundation is that once something is in Apache, it is clear that involvement and engagement is needed and I think -- as we're already seeing -- that involvement will increase. Gj On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < [email protected]> wrote: > There's already several people involved in Apache NetBeans that weren't > involved at all before. > > And, no one has ever said that there are "millions of NetBeans users". At > its height, NetBeans has been in use by about 1.5 million people -- i.e., > that's measured per month and the most popular months have always been the > first months of the school/college/university year, i.e., a large subset of > NetBeans users are students studying Java. In time, a segment of that group > could also become involved, e.g., by contributing code or fixing bugs, etc, > i.e., not beginner students but maybe in their 2nd or 3rd year or so, or > maybe students doing their thesis, etc. > > But, no, there definitely are not millions of NetBeans users, no one has > ever claimed that. > > Gj > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using >> NetBeans >> and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively move >> away from. >> >> As a counterpart to this, I don't know where the millions of NetBeans >> users >> are. >> >> I don't see them in real life, not on social media, not on issues, wiki, >> anywhere! >> >> We should be flooded, no? >> >> So, the plain answer is that most of the people use something free without >> giving anything back. Moving away from this will be harmful to the >> project. >> >> The question then is how to grow the involved *and* the silent user base. >> My impression is that it also involves money. >> >> --emi >> >> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Yes, we're working right now on changing the licenses to Apache. Hard to >> > know when that will be done, but it should be within this month, I >> think. >> > >> > We could then focus on releasing that -- i.e., the first release would >> > consist of all the new JDK 9 features (Jigsaw, JShell, etc), together >> with >> > then relicensed source code. >> > >> > And, in terms of people only wanting to be users -- I think that time is >> > coming to an end. People will need to contribute -- whether it is >> answers >> > to questions on the mailing list, new FAQs, blog entries, Twitter, >> code, or >> > whatever -- everyone that uses NetBeans will need to become actively >> > involved in the community, which doesn't take much time at all -- a nice >> > tweet about NetBeans takes about 5 seconds to write. >> > >> > I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using >> NetBeans >> > and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively >> move >> > away from. >> > >> > Gj >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Christian Lenz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Often People ask for NetBeans 9 and yes we already know that, because >> > > geertjan often said that it is up to all of us 😉. But often People >> only >> > > want to be users as I say it often. They want to use NetBeans. Ok >> anyway >> > > but the Thing is, do we have a specific date like a release Roadmap >> for >> > NB >> > > 9.0 for the first release? If not, then we should have one. The old >> > Roadmap >> > > from Oracle is now obsolete, right? So we should think about it. >> > > >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > >> > > Chris >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >
