On 10/13/2017 12:05 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Sorry, there are no millions of NetBeans users.
And who cares if there are millions or thousands. As long as _WE_ find it worthwhile to develop, it will have a home at Apache :) This shouldn't be a popularity contest. Apache is about fostering and helping communities who are passionate about a project - whether they consist of 5 people or 5 million doesn't matter. > > Also think about something else -- there are supposedly 9 million or so > Java developers in the world. Whenever ZeroTurnaround puts together a > survey, they have a massive struggle to even get 2000 people (of 9 > million!) to fill in their survey. > > So, it's not about NetBeans but about the fact that, indeed, the vast > majority are simply users. The excellent thing about the Apache Foundation > is that once something is in Apache, it is clear that involvement and > engagement is needed and I think -- as we're already seeing -- that > involvement will increase. > > Gj > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> There's already several people involved in Apache NetBeans that weren't >> involved at all before. >> >> And, no one has ever said that there are "millions of NetBeans users". At >> its height, NetBeans has been in use by about 1.5 million people -- i.e., >> that's measured per month and the most popular months have always been the >> first months of the school/college/university year, i.e., a large subset of >> NetBeans users are students studying Java. In time, a segment of that group >> could also become involved, e.g., by contributing code or fixing bugs, etc, >> i.e., not beginner students but maybe in their 2nd or 3rd year or so, or >> maybe students doing their thesis, etc. >> >> But, no, there definitely are not millions of NetBeans users, no one has >> ever claimed that. >> >> Gj >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using >>> NetBeans >>> and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively move >>> away from. >>> >>> As a counterpart to this, I don't know where the millions of NetBeans >>> users >>> are. >>> >>> I don't see them in real life, not on social media, not on issues, wiki, >>> anywhere! >>> >>> We should be flooded, no? >>> >>> So, the plain answer is that most of the people use something free without >>> giving anything back. Moving away from this will be harmful to the >>> project. >>> >>> The question then is how to grow the involved *and* the silent user base. >>> My impression is that it also involves money. >>> >>> --emi >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, we're working right now on changing the licenses to Apache. Hard to >>>> know when that will be done, but it should be within this month, I >>> think. >>>> >>>> We could then focus on releasing that -- i.e., the first release would >>>> consist of all the new JDK 9 features (Jigsaw, JShell, etc), together >>> with >>>> then relicensed source code. >>>> >>>> And, in terms of people only wanting to be users -- I think that time is >>>> coming to an end. People will need to contribute -- whether it is >>> answers >>>> to questions on the mailing list, new FAQs, blog entries, Twitter, >>> code, or >>>> whatever -- everyone that uses NetBeans will need to become actively >>>> involved in the community, which doesn't take much time at all -- a nice >>>> tweet about NetBeans takes about 5 seconds to write. >>>> >>>> I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using >>> NetBeans >>>> and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively >>> move >>>> away from. >>>> >>>> Gj >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Christian Lenz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Often People ask for NetBeans 9 and yes we already know that, because >>>>> geertjan often said that it is up to all of us 😉. But often People >>> only >>>>> want to be users as I say it often. They want to use NetBeans. Ok >>> anyway >>>>> but the Thing is, do we have a specific date like a release Roadmap >>> for >>>> NB >>>>> 9.0 for the first release? If not, then we should have one. The old >>>> Roadmap >>>>> from Oracle is now obsolete, right? So we should think about it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
