Well, maybe:

- short term: a solution whereby nb-javac is acceptable (let the user check
a checkbox in the convenience binary installer whereby they agree to suffer
all [not really existent] legal consequences of downloading and installing
the two nb-javac JARs)

- medium term: drop nb-javac and use javac directly (jlahoda has a
prototype)

- long term: LSP (antonio has a dream)

Gj

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 at 20:36, Antonio <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yes, exactly: we need two solutions for the same problem: a short term
> one to launch but a long term one too.
>
> I think I read somewhere that the Language Server Protocol had problems
> with refactoring. I'm not sure about this, though.
>
>  From my point of view the NetBeans IDE should embrace the LSP sooner or
> later. I don't think LSP is just a fashion, and I think it's going to
> stay. Taking advantage of any third-party LSP tools would be great.
>
> Finally, I don't know if LSP is comparable to nb-javac, nor if they're
> incompatible. I'll have to dig deeper into nb-javac to understand to
> what extent is integrated into the NetBeans IDE, what it does and how it
> works. Any pointers on this, anyone?
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
>
> El 14/11/17 a las 20:44, Geertjan Wielenga escribió:
> > What we want, is not so relevant, unfortunately. And asking anyone
> anything
> > is a question of months, which we don’t have. Wider needs, great, let’s
> > work on those.
> >
> > In the meantime, what’s the best approach? Maybe putting these two
> nb-javac
> > JARs on bitbucket and explicitly informing the user during installation
> via
> > the installer wizard for agreement on theibeing downloaded and placed in
> > the correct locations locally?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 at 19:36, Neil C Smith <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, 18:54 Jan Lahoda, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Another aspect is from where to download the library: I assume we would
> >>> need a reasonably stable place to which we could point the users.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any opinions on this?
> >>>
> >>
> >> As before when this came up, as well as where it's downloaded from, I'd
> be
> >> interested to know how it's going to be maintained there? It feels hard
> to
> >> answer one question without the other?
> >>
> >> I also still wonder whether there's been further thought on asking the
> >> OpenJDK project to host it (as ide-javac)? The last time I suggested
> that
> >> there was a feeling that it was too NetBeans specific, and other
> projects
> >> were moving to things like Language Server Protocol. Just for the record
> >> (as I mentioned to Jaroslav a while back) of the two LSP plugins for
> Java,
> >> one is Eclipse based, and the other is using nb-javac. There is
> obviously a
> >> wider need for the features it brings!
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
> >>> --
> >> Neil C Smith
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> >
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