On 11/27/2017 03:19 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Right, great. My feeling from other Apache projects is that they're doing > fine without forums -- if that's what we need to do to fit in with Apache, > that's a very small price to pay, I think.
While forums are not usually a thing, it's not impossible to get it. OpenOffice runs forums. You could request a VM and set up something forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :) > > Gj > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net> > wrote: > >> Hi Geertjan, >> >> I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling >> lists, Slack, stackoverflow but to have a forum should not be a Problem >> today. >> >> Anyway, we can discuss it on a new thread if necessary. Only to let you >> know, what I think and what I see. Forums around the world still active and >> are made for users and user questions. But as I said, if necessary, we can >> dicuss it on an other thread. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 >> >> Von: Geertjan Wielenga >> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 15:12 >> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in >> some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like >> Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes >> not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus >> more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've >> been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to >> compromise -- no forums. >> >> Gj >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an >>> Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask >>> questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no >>> replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to >> Apache >>> too? >>> >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 >>> >>> Von: Geertjan Wielenga >>> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03 >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. >>> >>> OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org >>> mailing lists: >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ >>> ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists >>> >>> There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not >>> everyone will read all of it. :-) >>> >>> We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum, >>> we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article >> on >>> JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook. >>> >>> And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- >> at >>> some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll >>> still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and >>> that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive >>> worldwide community. >>> >>> Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for >>> final feedback and then we'll send it out after that. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Gj >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský <jiri.koval...@oracle.com >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz < >> christian.l...@gmx.net >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at >>>>>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, >>>>>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for >>> changes >>>>>> in >>>>>> the tickets. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the >>>>> mailing list discussion. >>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> -Jirka >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET >>>>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 >>>>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >>>>>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. >>>>>> >>>>>> The email looks good to me. >>>>>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted >>>>>> along the same lines? >>>>>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga >>>>>> <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all >> the >>> @ >>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided >> in >>>>>>> >>>>>> this >>>>>> >>>>>>> thread incorporated into it: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a >>>>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC >>>>>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2 >>>>>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7 >>>>>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e= >>>>>>> >>>>>> ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gj >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < >>>>>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list >>>>>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >>>>>>>>> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or >>> dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> org >>>>>> >>>>>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good point, thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the >> mail >>>>>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint. >>>>>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1 >>>>>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh >>>>>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9- >>>>>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> html?us...@netbeans.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a >>>>>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R >>>>>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I >>>>>>>>> ehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9- >>>>>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e= >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, >>> but >>>>>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at >> netbeans.apache.org >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> users easily will get lost. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a >>>>>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate >>>>>>>> &d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_ >>>>>>>> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn >>>>>>>> 9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m >>>>>>>> 3KydznZXgUGxo&e= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> because >>>>>> >>>>>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download >>>>>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform >>> releases... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ate >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mailing >>>>>> >>>>>>> lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> netbeans.org >>>>>> >>>>>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>> >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who >>> have >>>>>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we >>>>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning >>> of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> next >>>>>> >>>>>>> week. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mailing >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lists and Forum" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Text: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation >>> process, >>>>>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> already. >>>>>> >>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache >>> for >>>>>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache >>> NetBeans. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of >> January >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1st, >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are >>>>>>>>>>> archived >>>>>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org >> will, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>> >>>>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> lists, >>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev >> ( >>>>>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( >>>>>>>>>>> us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for >>>>>>>>>> Java, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well >> as >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>> >>>>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, >> will >>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing >> list, a >>>>>>>>>>> separate >>>>>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The >> Apache >>>>>>>>>>> NetBeans >>>>>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working >>> on >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to >>>>>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., >>>>>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement >>> for >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, >> you’re >>>>>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to >>> the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> @ >>>>>> >>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all >> the @ >>>>>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gj and Jirka >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ludovic >>>>>> ----------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu >>>>>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..." >>>>>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup) >>>>>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important >>>>>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
