I agree with this sentiment. I have logic that allows one to run or debug a
single Groovy test that has been in the main NB code since before NB 8.2
was released, and yet I can't get my value and time spent out of that work
yet.

Obviously the move has some to do with the wait right now, but I wouldn't
want to wait half a year for such changes to show up regardless. We had
that as contributors before, and it detracts from the value of contributing
if itches can't be scratched quickly.

I prefer some scheme where changes such as that can make it into the
contributors production IDE as fast as responsibly possible if we can
figure that out.

Thanks

Wade


On Feb 23, 2018 13:31, "Christian Lenz" <christian.l...@gmx.net> wrote:

> I know exactly what you mean, but I don’t mean the release of NB 9, I mean
> all other Releases. Often you have to wait 6 months or more for new
> Features etc. The community you can see it in slack, Twitter, Facebook
> asking for when will it be done, when is JS coming, when will we have
> better release cycles or new Features that other IDEs or Editors already
> have since ages (I know it is a bit exaggerated but it should be clear,
> what I mean). Those Things are real Problems too, not only for the current
> release.
>
> NetBeans often lacks behind Features. No Vue Support, no full real Angular
> 2 Support, a lot of stuff that was not working under Oracle, often this is
> not possible with 3rd Party Plugins, because of the private APIs or
> whatever (See the Angular 2 template stuff inside html files or KendoUI
> Support, what Geertjan started, which is not possible anymore to work with,
> because it is not a friend plugin anymore). And if you compare NetBeans
> with big competitors like IntelliJ/PHPStorm/WebStorm or Eclipse or VS Code,
> we must Change smth, we have to.
>
> I don’t mean, that we have to have this politics like: Get Things done
> fast. But I think if we have a better Pipeline and a better QA process and
> whatever, that we can save 2 months (Remove NetCat) because that is not
> needed. 2 Months that can save time from maybe 6 Months + 2 Months NetCat
> to only 6 or less. I prefer 3 months too, as we can see it now, we have
> some new PRs and sure we will have more and more. People are waiting for
> new stuff, etc. And as I said, it is not only about NB 9.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Jiří Kovalský
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 19:11
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal
>
> I share the same opinion. For me personally quality is the most precious
> feature. I know that we all have been waiting for NetBeans 9.0 for more
> than a year now but good things need time. ;)
>
> Regarding release frequency, we should release only when it makes sense
> i.e. when a set of interesting new features is implemented together with
> a handful of critical bug fixes. Let's not follow the modern but insane
> corporate paranoia: "We must get it out quickly otherwise competition
> will be far ahead!" which only leads to frustration and disappointment
> both among development teams and end users.
>
> We are true open source project now! I don't want to go back to date
> driven release trains at all cost.
>
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 23.2.2018 v 17:03 cowwoc napsal(a):
>
> > Same here. Stability first. Once we've got that down, then I'd favor a
> > release schedule of 3-6 months.
> >
> > Gili
> >
> > On 2018-02-23 5:52 AM, Валера Солдатов wrote:
> >> My 2 cents. I wish to use stable and quick IDE. I don't want to update
> >> my working tool too often.
> >>
> >> 23.02.2018 13:01, Christian Lenz пишет:
> >>> Really 10 Weeks? 2 more months? I mean I don’t know it really,
> >>> because it is a huge Code base but im the future, my wish and I think
> >>> from other People too, we want to have more release cycles and less
> >>> time between Releases. My 2 cents.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Von: Jan Lahoda
> >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 08:51
> >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>> Cc: d...@netbeans.apache.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Sven Reimers <sven.reim...@gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> +1..
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this only on 10 or with 10 as Platform as well (thinking of var
> ...)
> >>>>
> >>> My personal opinion:
> >>> -NetBeans IDE should run on JDK 10
> >>> -ideally it should be possible to have a (J2SE/Maven) project using
> >>> JDK 10
> >>> as well, including support for var (shouldn't be difficult, see the
> >>> jdk18_3
> >>> branch in the official repository; depends on whether we can add a
> >>> feature
> >>> like this at this stage).
> >>> -the NetBeans IDE itself can't use JDK 9/10 features, as it still
> should
> >>> run on JDK 8.
> >>> -for applications based on NetBeans platform, the build system
> currently
> >>> does not (AFAIK) support JDK 9/10, but if someone wanted to work on
> >>> that, I
> >>> think it would be useful.
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Looking forward to an awesine first Apache NetCat..
> >>>>
> >>>> Sven
> >>>>
> >>>> P.S.  Is Synergy already hosted on Apache infrastructure?
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 22.02.2018 22:59 schrieb "John Kostaras" <jkosta...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 22 February 2018 at 20:50, Jiří Kovalský <
> jiri.koval...@oracle.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello NetBeans community,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     now that we have Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta officially released to
> >>>>> public
> >>>>>> we would like to start our traditional Beta testing program called
> >>>>> NetCAT.
> >>>>>> We would like to send out the official invitation on Monday -
> >>>>>> February
> >>>>> 26th
> >>>>>> but before we proceed Hermien and me would like to present our
> >>>>>> plan how
> >>>>>> NetCAT 9.0 will be organized and ask for constructive feedback.
> >>>>>> Please
> >>>>> bear
> >>>>>> in mind to voice your concerns by the end of this week. We will
> >>>>>> attempt
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> address your questions or suggestions but we still hope you will
> >>>>>> simply
> >>>>>> like what we have prepared. :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here we go:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. NetCAT 9.0 will roughly take 10 weeks i.e. ~2 months. We
> >>>>>> allocated 2
> >>>>>> weeks for review of test specifications, followed by 4 weeks of
> >>>>>> testing
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> bug fixing phase, at the end finished by 3 week long community
> >>>> acceptance
> >>>>>> survey. For more details see our projected schedule [1].
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. The testing will be tracked in Synergy - NetBeans test
> >>>>>> specification
> >>>>>> and test run management system. NetCAT 9.0 participants will be
> >>>>>> divided
> >>>>>> into 9 tribes focusing on one of 9 crucial functionality areas each.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3. We have drafted quality criteria [2] which we would like to
> >>>>>> meet for
> >>>>>> the GA release. In short, we aim to fix all blocker issues, fix or
> >>>> waive
> >>>>>> all critical issues and fix all CA blockers. We would also like to
> >>>>>> take
> >>>>>> votes into account as you can read in the Bug Priority Guidelines
> >>>>>> [3].
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 4. Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta will be primarily tested on latest JDK 8
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> JDK 10.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.
> apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_NetCAT-2B&d=DwIDaQ&c=
> RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=ujHcbmMkNwpWnKqCy-
> jXHGI0Kaxm4689-ErHws1DD-0&s=4rtnO7qW0bj_bQ0cQPFMK7IqFcvLoRBorPEbKjFmXRw&e=
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 9.0+Schedule
> >>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.
> apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_NetBean&d=DwIDaQ&c=
> RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=ujHcbmMkNwpWnKqCy-
> jXHGI0Kaxm4689-ErHws1DD-0&s=vfwrsACQertGtA3IuRhOosO-QZeGSBzsO2IK7p-Dkps&e=
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> s+9.0+Release+Criteria
> >>>>>> [3]
> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.
> apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Bug-2B&d=DwIDaQ&c=
> RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=ujHcbmMkNwpWnKqCy-
> jXHGI0Kaxm4689-ErHws1DD-0&s=FrLMFtU24N51mae5kqwwV8FuzEoaw251EPrGApMDS_0&e=
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Priority+Guidelines
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please let us know if we can fly with this plan. :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for your feedback!
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Jirka & Hermien
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
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