Hello John, I vote for : * google group mailing list : <[email protected]> * [email protected] but using a header like [Apache NetBeans 9 Apress Book] * and zoom for the realtime chat
Constantin Drabo ?? La Terre est le berceau de l'humanit??, mais on ne passe pas sa vie enti??re dans un berceau. ?? - Constantin????E. Tsiolkovski , p??re de l'astronautique?? et de l'a??rospatiale modernes. ________________________________ De : John Kostaras <[email protected]> Envoyé : mercredi 1 août 2018 22:28 À : [email protected] Objet : Re: [Apache NetBeans 9 Apress Book] Starting the new book Thanks for your reply Josh. I can't create a new channel in netbeans.slack.com so I guess Geertjan or the creator of this workspace could do it. I guess first we need to: - decide how we want to exchange ideas, so please vote for one of the following: - slack channel - google group mailing list <[email protected]> - [email protected] but using a header like [Apache NetBeans 9 Apress Book] - other (please advise) - and once this is decided then vote in there whether we wish to write - an Apress book - a LeanPub <https://leanpub.com/> book (but then we need to decide what to do with the money if the book is not free) - a free community (wiki?) book (e.g. using github.io or another wiki) Looking forward your feedback. John. On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 05:48, Josh Juneau <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks for sending the detailed proposed TOC for the book. I agree with > the three-part book, and I also am in-line with the proposed chapters. I > like your idea of looking at the various NetBeans books that are available > now to get an idea of coverage. Those interested in working on the book > should send ideas on proposed chapters after looking at the table of > contents from some of the other available books. I believe that would > ensure we have a solid lineup of chapters. > > To answer your questions: > > 1) With respect to collaboration, I like the email idea, and I also think > that we should start a NetBeans book Slack group. Perhaps as a channel > added into the existing NetBeans slack group. > > 2) Thanks for starting a mailing list for the book! I think this is a > great idea. > > 3). Apress uses Microsoft Office online (and they should provide accounts) > that we authors can use for collaboration efforts. > > If we go with Apress for the book, we will be working with Jonathan > Gennick...at least in the beginning. I'll reach out to him and provide > your contact information John, if the group is interested in proceeding. > > Thanks again...looking forward to moving this along! > > Josh Juneau > [email protected] > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866 > > > On Aug 1, 2018, at 5:10 AM, Delfi Ramirez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Agreed to most of the proposed index / scheme > > > > Please consider > > > > "* Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans *: Chapter 3: New features, jigsaw > support, jshell, etc." > > > > To be indexed in Part 3, or part 2, for academic purposes, maybe. due to > the fact that the "New features" section can grow in a second donation or > through git collab > > > > cheers > > > > > > Delfi Ramirez > > > > Segonquart Studio > > > > https://segonquart.net > > > > From: John Kostaras > > Sent: 01 August 2018 10:02 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Apache NetBeans 9 Apress Book] Starting the new book > > > > Hallo again, > > > > and thank you for your feedback. I couldn't have described the effort > > needed in a better way. > > > > In order to somehow start, here are few things that we need to consider > in > > my opinion. > > > > 1. *How we can cooperate.* > > 1. I suggest that we use a header like the one in this email in > order > > to make it easier to categorise the emails targeting the group of > authors > > of the book, and don't disturb others in the dev mailing list. > > 2. I have also created a google group ( > > [email protected]) which you could join (I > > 'll also try to invite some of those in this thread that are > > interested in > > contributing). > > 3. Are you aware of any web co-authoring tool? There are a number > > wiki-like ones, free and non-free, but I don't know of any that > > we can keep > > our work restricted of the world. I use for example github.io. I > > don't know if Apress can offer us such an infrastructure, i.e. a > > wiki that > > can be private to its members to co-author a book? Bertrand > mentions that > > Any PoC in Apress Josh? > > 2. *Book structure* > > 1. We also need to decide on the book structure. Geertjan already > > proposed to split it into three parts, each of > > which could be split into about 5 chapters: > > Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans > > Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans > > Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans > > 2. We need to decide what will these 5x3 = 15 chapters are going to > > be and who writes what. > > 1. E.g. thanks to Oliver: > > 2. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4k5JpluJM8 > > https://www.slideshare.net/GeertjanWielenga/extending-nbide > > - new language support > > - some available language additions > > - useful available external plugins > > 3. Thanks to Milos here is a lot of material on NetBeans Platform > > Cookbook <http://wiki.netbeans.org/BookNBPlatformCookbook> which > > we could use as a base for some chapters rewriting them to NB > > 9 (again for > > Part 2) > > 4. I 'll do a search and provide a list of all available NetBeans > > books published so far, so that we could have an idea what > > has been out > > there, and maybe give more ideas for chapters. > > > > Here is a very draft proposal of the various chapters, but we could > discuss > > of course: > > > > *Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans* > > Chapter 1: What is NetBeans. A short history of NetBeans. Apache > NetBeans. > > Distinction of NetBeans platform and NetBeans IDE. New features support > in > > version 9. How do download and install Apache NetBeans 9 > > Chapter 2: Getting Started with NetBeans. Layout, editing files and > > projects, tips and tricks > > Chapter 3: New features, jigsaw support, jshell etc. > > Chapter 4: Running, debugging, profiling applications > > Chapter 5: Developing desktop applications (Swing and JavaFX) > > > > *Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans* > > Chapter 6: Introduction to NetBeans RCP. Core, UI > > Chapter 7: Module System, File System, Lookup > > Chapter 8: Window system, Actions, Nodes and Explorers, HTML/UI > > Chapter 9: Extras, Visual Library, Dialogs, etc. > > Chapter 10: Writing a NetBeans plugin > > > > *Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans* *(a lot of material can be > found > > in our cwiki <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/>)* > > Chapter 11: Overview of how NetBeans 9 is hosted in Apache, > infrastructure: > > Apache JIRA, Confluence, wiki etc. > > Chapter 12: Apache mailing list, Apache NetBeans web page > > Chapter 13: NetCAT, synergy > > Chapter 14: How to download and build Apache NetBeans 9 from sources; > > Chapter 15: How to contribute (fixing bugs, articles, web site, NETCAT, > > writing plugins); what needs to be done (e.g. code donations etc.) > > > > I look forward your feedback. > > > > Regards, > > > > John. > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 14:38, Geertjan Wielenga > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Broadly, I think such a book should be split into three parts, each of > >> which could be split into about 5 chapters: > >> > >> Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans > >> Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans > >> Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans > >> > >> Gj > >> > >>> On Monday, July 16, 2018, Delfi Ramirez <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi All: > >>> > >>> Agreed there is the need of a chapter-by-chapter community written > book. > >>> > >>> Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written, of > a > >>> single translator for the whole community content. > >>> > >>> Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, we > >>> may able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in this > >>> world wide world we live in > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> > >>> Delfi Ramirez > >>> > >>> Segonquart Studio > >>> > >>> https://segonquart.net > >>> > >>> From: Oliver Rettig > >>> Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47 > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I like the idea of a community-written book very much. This can > >> encourage > >>> people to join > >>> our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project > ... > >>> For me the > >>> community is one of the most important facts to work with netbeans and > >>> rarely with eclipse. > >>> > >>> I have some experience with writing a book for Tomcat 5: > >>> > >>> https://www.rheinwerk-verlag.de/tomcat-5_700/ > >>> > >>> and the most important thing I have learned from this book project is: > >>> better not to write > >>> such books alone. > >>> > >>> It would be a pleasure for me to write a chapter for a > community-written > >>> Netbeans book, or > >>> may be to translate from english to german some parts, if we want to > have > >>> a german > >>> version. > >>> > >>> But I have less experience in organzing such things. In scientific > >>> communities typically you > >>> have an editor or a small team of editors. Their job is often really a > >> lot > >>> of work: to defines the > >>> chapters/articles, to find people who can write the articles and to > push > >>> the authors to deliver > >>> in the timeline. > >>> > >>> An other question is where and how to publish the book. My experience > >> with > >>> the Tomcat > >>> book was that the publisher was a really great help in formatting and > >>> proofreading. And a > >>> publisher can be a very big help in invertising for apache netbeans. > >>> > >>> But it should be also possible to write the book without a publisher at > >>> our own. In this case > >>> we can have an open-pdf-Version of the book. Maye we can have this too > >>> with a publisher? > >>> > >>> best regards > >>> Oliver > >>> > >>> > >>>> I've been approached by Apress regarding interest in a book on Apache > >>>> NetBeans. I personally do not have enough time to devote to another > >> book > >>>> right now, so I wanted to send a note to the Apache NetBeans developer > >>>> group to see if there are any developers interested in authoring a > book > >>>> (perhaps a collaborative effort). > >>>> > >>>> I know things are very busy right now, and I've already told Apress > >> that > >>>> the main focus is the release of Apache NetBeans 9 right now, but > >> maybe a > >>>> book project could start this fall. There are no timelines right > >>>> now...just interest in a book on the new open Apache NetBeans IDE. > >>>> > >>>> If anyone is interested then reply to this message and I can get a > list > >>> of > >>>> names together to send along to Apress. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> Josh Juneau > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > >>>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > >
