Hi John, Hope you are well. I tried to search for the google group < [email protected]> and could not find it for some reason. Can you please send an invite?
Thanks On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:40 PM constantin drabo <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello John, > I vote for : > > * google group mailing list : < > [email protected]> > * [email protected] but using a header like [Apache > NetBeans 9 Apress Book] > * and zoom for the realtime chat > > Constantin Drabo > > ?? La Terre est le berceau de l'humanit??, mais on ne passe pas sa vie > enti??re dans un berceau. ?? > - Constantin????E. Tsiolkovski , p??re de l'astronautique?? et de > l'a??rospatiale modernes. > ________________________________ > De : John Kostaras <[email protected]> > Envoyé : mercredi 1 août 2018 22:28 > À : [email protected] > Objet : Re: [Apache NetBeans 9 Apress Book] Starting the new book > > Thanks for your reply Josh. > > I can't create a new channel in netbeans.slack.com so I guess Geertjan or > the creator of this workspace could do it. > > I guess first we need to: > > - decide how we want to exchange ideas, so please vote for one of the > following: > - slack channel > - google group mailing list > <[email protected]> > - [email protected] but using a header like [Apache > NetBeans 9 Apress Book] > - other (please advise) > - and once this is decided then vote in there whether we wish to write > - an Apress book > - a LeanPub <https://leanpub.com/> book (but then we need to decide > what to do with the money if the book is not free) > - a free community (wiki?) book (e.g. using github.io or another > wiki) > > Looking forward your feedback. > > John. > On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 05:48, Josh Juneau <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi John, > > > > Thanks for sending the detailed proposed TOC for the book. I agree with > > the three-part book, and I also am in-line with the proposed chapters. I > > like your idea of looking at the various NetBeans books that are > available > > now to get an idea of coverage. Those interested in working on the book > > should send ideas on proposed chapters after looking at the table of > > contents from some of the other available books. I believe that would > > ensure we have a solid lineup of chapters. > > > > To answer your questions: > > > > 1) With respect to collaboration, I like the email idea, and I also think > > that we should start a NetBeans book Slack group. Perhaps as a channel > > added into the existing NetBeans slack group. > > > > 2) Thanks for starting a mailing list for the book! I think this is a > > great idea. > > > > 3). Apress uses Microsoft Office online (and they should provide > accounts) > > that we authors can use for collaboration efforts. > > > > If we go with Apress for the book, we will be working with Jonathan > > Gennick...at least in the beginning. I'll reach out to him and provide > > your contact information John, if the group is interested in proceeding. > > > > Thanks again...looking forward to moving this along! > > > > Josh Juneau > > [email protected] > > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > > https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866 > > > > > On Aug 1, 2018, at 5:10 AM, Delfi Ramirez <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed to most of the proposed index / scheme > > > > > > Please consider > > > > > > "* Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans *: Chapter 3: New features, jigsaw > > support, jshell, etc." > > > > > > To be indexed in Part 3, or part 2, for academic purposes, maybe. due > to > > the fact that the "New features" section can grow in a second donation or > > through git collab > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > Delfi Ramirez > > > > > > Segonquart Studio > > > > > > https://segonquart.net > > > > > > From: John Kostaras > > > Sent: 01 August 2018 10:02 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [Apache NetBeans 9 Apress Book] Starting the new book > > > > > > Hallo again, > > > > > > and thank you for your feedback. I couldn't have described the effort > > > needed in a better way. > > > > > > In order to somehow start, here are few things that we need to consider > > in > > > my opinion. > > > > > > 1. *How we can cooperate.* > > > 1. I suggest that we use a header like the one in this email in > > order > > > to make it easier to categorise the emails targeting the group of > > authors > > > of the book, and don't disturb others in the dev mailing list. > > > 2. I have also created a google group ( > > > [email protected]) which you could join > (I > > > 'll also try to invite some of those in this thread that are > > > interested in > > > contributing). > > > 3. Are you aware of any web co-authoring tool? There are a number > > > wiki-like ones, free and non-free, but I don't know of any that > > > we can keep > > > our work restricted of the world. I use for example github.io. I > > > don't know if Apress can offer us such an infrastructure, i.e. a > > > wiki that > > > can be private to its members to co-author a book? Bertrand > > mentions that > > > Any PoC in Apress Josh? > > > 2. *Book structure* > > > 1. We also need to decide on the book structure. Geertjan already > > > proposed to split it into three parts, each of > > > which could be split into about 5 chapters: > > > Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans > > > Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans > > > Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans > > > 2. We need to decide what will these 5x3 = 15 chapters are going > to > > > be and who writes what. > > > 1. E.g. thanks to Oliver: > > > 2. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4k5JpluJM8 > > > https://www.slideshare.net/GeertjanWielenga/extending-nbide > > > - new language support > > > - some available language additions > > > - useful available external plugins > > > 3. Thanks to Milos here is a lot of material on NetBeans > Platform > > > Cookbook <http://wiki.netbeans.org/BookNBPlatformCookbook> > which > > > we could use as a base for some chapters rewriting them to NB > > > 9 (again for > > > Part 2) > > > 4. I 'll do a search and provide a list of all available > NetBeans > > > books published so far, so that we could have an idea what > > > has been out > > > there, and maybe give more ideas for chapters. > > > > > > Here is a very draft proposal of the various chapters, but we could > > discuss > > > of course: > > > > > > *Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans* > > > Chapter 1: What is NetBeans. A short history of NetBeans. Apache > > NetBeans. > > > Distinction of NetBeans platform and NetBeans IDE. New features support > > in > > > version 9. How do download and install Apache NetBeans 9 > > > Chapter 2: Getting Started with NetBeans. Layout, editing files and > > > projects, tips and tricks > > > Chapter 3: New features, jigsaw support, jshell etc. > > > Chapter 4: Running, debugging, profiling applications > > > Chapter 5: Developing desktop applications (Swing and JavaFX) > > > > > > *Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans* > > > Chapter 6: Introduction to NetBeans RCP. Core, UI > > > Chapter 7: Module System, File System, Lookup > > > Chapter 8: Window system, Actions, Nodes and Explorers, HTML/UI > > > Chapter 9: Extras, Visual Library, Dialogs, etc. > > > Chapter 10: Writing a NetBeans plugin > > > > > > *Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans* *(a lot of material can be > > found > > > in our cwiki <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/>)* > > > Chapter 11: Overview of how NetBeans 9 is hosted in Apache, > > infrastructure: > > > Apache JIRA, Confluence, wiki etc. > > > Chapter 12: Apache mailing list, Apache NetBeans web page > > > Chapter 13: NetCAT, synergy > > > Chapter 14: How to download and build Apache NetBeans 9 from sources; > > > Chapter 15: How to contribute (fixing bugs, articles, web site, NETCAT, > > > writing plugins); what needs to be done (e.g. code donations etc.) > > > > > > I look forward your feedback. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 14:38, Geertjan Wielenga > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Broadly, I think such a book should be split into three parts, each of > > >> which could be split into about 5 chapters: > > >> > > >> Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans > > >> Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans > > >> Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans > > >> > > >> Gj > > >> > > >>> On Monday, July 16, 2018, Delfi Ramirez <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi All: > > >>> > > >>> Agreed there is the need of a chapter-by-chapter community written > > book. > > >>> > > >>> Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written, > of > > a > > >>> single translator for the whole community content. > > >>> > > >>> Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, > we > > >>> may able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in > this > > >>> world wide world we live in > > >>> > > >>> Cheers > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Delfi Ramirez > > >>> > > >>> Segonquart Studio > > >>> > > >>> https://segonquart.net > > >>> > > >>> From: Oliver Rettig > > >>> Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47 > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book > > >>> > > >>> Hi all, > > >>> > > >>> I like the idea of a community-written book very much. This can > > >> encourage > > >>> people to join > > >>> our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project > > ... > > >>> For me the > > >>> community is one of the most important facts to work with netbeans > and > > >>> rarely with eclipse. > > >>> > > >>> I have some experience with writing a book for Tomcat 5: > > >>> > > >>> https://www.rheinwerk-verlag.de/tomcat-5_700/ > > >>> > > >>> and the most important thing I have learned from this book project > is: > > >>> better not to write > > >>> such books alone. > > >>> > > >>> It would be a pleasure for me to write a chapter for a > > community-written > > >>> Netbeans book, or > > >>> may be to translate from english to german some parts, if we want to > > have > > >>> a german > > >>> version. > > >>> > > >>> But I have less experience in organzing such things. In scientific > > >>> communities typically you > > >>> have an editor or a small team of editors. Their job is often really > a > > >> lot > > >>> of work: to defines the > > >>> chapters/articles, to find people who can write the articles and to > > push > > >>> the authors to deliver > > >>> in the timeline. > > >>> > > >>> An other question is where and how to publish the book. My experience > > >> with > > >>> the Tomcat > > >>> book was that the publisher was a really great help in formatting and > > >>> proofreading. And a > > >>> publisher can be a very big help in invertising for apache netbeans. > > >>> > > >>> But it should be also possible to write the book without a publisher > at > > >>> our own. In this case > > >>> we can have an open-pdf-Version of the book. Maye we can have this > too > > >>> with a publisher? > > >>> > > >>> best regards > > >>> Oliver > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> I've been approached by Apress regarding interest in a book on > Apache > > >>>> NetBeans. I personally do not have enough time to devote to another > > >> book > > >>>> right now, so I wanted to send a note to the Apache NetBeans > developer > > >>>> group to see if there are any developers interested in authoring a > > book > > >>>> (perhaps a collaborative effort). > > >>>> > > >>>> I know things are very busy right now, and I've already told Apress > > >> that > > >>>> the main focus is the release of Apache NetBeans 9 right now, but > > >> maybe a > > >>>> book project could start this fall. There are no timelines right > > >>>> now...just interest in a book on the new open Apache NetBeans IDE. > > >>>> > > >>>> If anyone is interested then reply to this message and I can get a > > list > > >>> of > > >>>> names together to send along to Apress. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks > > >>>> > > >>>> Josh Juneau > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > > >>>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > -- Josh Juneau [email protected] http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
