On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:10 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure, makes sense, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if this ends up being > the stumbling block. > > Maybe the dev room could be called "On Top Of Java" or "Beyond Basic Java" > or "Java in the Wild" -- and sure, anything built on top of anything else > in the Java ecosystem would be welcome too. > Geertjan, Please note that last year (and many years before), there was a "Free Java" devroom: https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/track/free_java/ So I would bind this proposal too closely to Java, as there may already be proposal(s) for something similar. Anyway, I guess we could try to generalize the proposal, to be e.g. IDE and RCP platforms; the topics could be things like "refactoring", "editors", "building applications (on RCP platforms)", etc. If the proposal would ask for only half-day, would that increase chances to be accepted? (FWIW, in 2018, I see "MySQL and Friends" and "PostgreSQL", but not "relational databases", although I agree those sound like bigger/more generally interesting topics.) Thanks for the comments, Jan > Gj > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Daniel Gruno <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On 09/16/2018 09:01 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > > >> Note that it's not about Apache NetBeans as an IDE only, at all. It's > >> about > >> Apache NetBeans as a development platform, e.g., take a look at these: > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xmqcb8hFQ > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP-Pl_SRQVo > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYDyEqMSjZ8 > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoWrPKs-YM > >> > > > > > > I'm well aware of that, and I don't doubt we could fill all > sessions...but > > it's not me you have to win over :-). The vast majority of devrooms are > > always related to broader topics. There isn't a Jenkins room, it's a "CI > > devroom", no "cloudstack" room (containers/cloud etc), there's no > > mySQL-only or mariadb room, it's "relational databases" and so on. The > > FOSDEM team values broader yet cohesive topics that allow for > "competition > > of minds", and I think it could very well be considered too narrow to > just > > have a devroom about one specific ecosystem. > > > > So to reiterate, I'm personally fully supportive, but I think the chances > > of getting a devroom would be substantially greater if the topic is a bit > > more encompassing. Just my €0.02 :) > > > > With regards, > > Daniel. > > > > > > > >> Gj > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Gruno <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> On 09/16/2018 08:46 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on > >>>> FOSDEM > >>>> 2019. > >>>> > >>>> For more information on the devrooms, please see: > >>>> https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php > >>>> > >>>> We would need: > >>>> -be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask > >>>> just > >>>> for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and > I > >>>> am > >>>> sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too. > >>>> -send a proposal (see below) > >>>> -have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please > see > >>>> the link above for more info). > >>>> -have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact. > >>>> > >>>> So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20 > September. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I'm +1 on the idea, but I don't think the proposal would be readily > >>> accepted, as it's specific to only NetBeans. Generally, FOSDEM is > looking > >>> for broader topics or genres, so perhaps an IDE devroom would stand a > >>> better chance? You could still, of course, have NetBeans content, but > due > >>> to shortage on space (which there really is these days), the odds of > >>> getting a dev room for just one program is slim, so I'd pool it with > >>> other > >>> IDE topics to make it more feasible. > >>> > >>> With regards, > >>> Daniel. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal: > >>>> ---- > >>>> Title of devroom: > >>>> ----------------- > >>>> > >>>> Apache NetBeans > >>>> > >>>> Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics): > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of > Apache > >>>> NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include: > >>>> -new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans > >>>> ... > >>>> > >>>> Why does it fit FOSDEM? > >>>> ----------------------- > >>>> > >>>> Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be > an > >>>> opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and > >>>> future, and also help other to understand the state of the project. > >>>> > >>>> Relevant URLs: > >>>> -------------- > >>>> https://netbeans.apache.org/ > >>>> > >>>> Special requirements: > >>>> --------------------- > >>>> > >>>> If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major > Java-related > >>>> events. > >>>> --- > >>>> > >>>> If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki, > so > >>>> that we can all edit that. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Jan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > [email protected] > >>> > >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > >
