From: "Scott Gray" <[email protected]>
I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the phrase
"Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ (I use references to sections of this
page in the following)
So they can't be used in domain name (cf. section "Using Apache trademarks in domain
names"). Hans can't use
http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz alone as an individual or for his company.
This is a domain name: twitter.com
This is a URL: twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
Yes I was wrong on that one, so I can see no problems with
http://twitter.com/ofbizbyhotwax or http://twitter.com/ofbiz_help and I'm
happy with that.
So the first half of your message is completely invalid and threatening to
contact higher level ASF admins before discussing it on
the private list is bad form IMO.
Not completly, some arguments still stand and it would have been easier if you
have kept them in your answer. Notably the name+logo
on http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz which was the main reason I wrote this
message. I must say that in an effort to not put all on
this Tweeter account I thought about this wrong domain idea.
Secondly, use of the OFBiz name and logo on service provider websites
absolutely falls within the realm of nominative fair use IMO.
How are you supposed to offer development and support services for OFBiz if you
cannot mention the name OFBiz and display the logo?
Yes in most cases it's fair and I did not reproach anything else about that
than on http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
The fact that some logo uses do not link back to the project is a minor issue
and can easily be rectified without scaremongering by
sending a polite message directly to the service provider in question.
If people are aware of it, why they did not do it then? This was the reason of
my message. When you want justice, you can't hide
facts, even minor ones.
Let's be clear, we want people to market OFBiz for us because we do not have
the resources to do an adequate job of it ourselves.
The thing that I think we should be most concerned about and actively "police"
is what is written at the bottom of the ASF
guideline document:
"Nothing in this ASF policy statement shall be interpreted to allow any third
party to claim any association with the Apache
Software Foundation or any of its projects or to imply any approval or support by
ASF for any third party products or services."
Yes that's the point, I totally agree
We should be encouraging people to market OFBiz and instead of sending out
threatening emails.
If things are clean and follow the rule it's fine with me
And lastly, haven't there been enough arguments on the dev list for one week?
Do you really need to spark another one right now?
Constant bickering just makes us all look bad.
Bickering is a new word for me, thanks for that. I don't care about lookin
"bad", I just want justice.
Jacques
Regards
Scott
On 7/03/2010, at 7:20 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Scott,
Could you explain which part(s) I'm mis-interpreting and what is irrelevant in
my message?
Jacques
From: "Scott Gray" <[email protected]>
Jacques, you are mis-interpreting the contents of that ASF document and I
really would prefer it if you kept your thoughts to the
private list. This way we can correct you before you start scaring people away
from marketing the project for us.
Thank you
Scott
On 7/03/2010, at 2:20 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Hey guys,
This could be so easy :/
Hans agreed to give the credentials to all commiters but he asked us to send
him a demand.
We don't need to ask, if it's open Hans sould send all commiters the credential
to share apache_ofbiz Twitter account.
I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the phrase
"Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ (I use references to sections of this
page in the following)
So they can't be used in domain name (cf. section "Using Apache trademarks in domain
names"). Hans can't use
http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz alone as an individual or for his company.
So please, for the last time, Hans before I ring Shane Curcuru's bell (current
VP, Apache Brand Management), simply send
credentials to all commiters and the war is over (Note that, though I don't
think it's the way to go, I already asked you to send
me credentials as you suggested, but did not receive anything yet). Then I
suggest to put the button like you did Hans. It's a
*great idea* and I'm sure you will appreciate to have an help on feeding the
tweets as you already suggested.
http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz is a special case because not only it uses ASF
trademark in domain name but it also shows it on
the page, along with OFBiz logo not going back to http://ofbiz.apache.org/ (cf.
section "Using the Apache Foo (and similar)
graphic logos")
But I don't see a reason why the rule for the domain should not apply also to
http://twitter.com/ofbiz_help
http://twitter.com/ofbizbyhotwax
And Hans just followed the path actually... (is there other cases?)
Some other points which are related and worth to be noted
Hotwax Media must care about how they use the OFBiz logo in their pages at
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com. The rule is that if it's
not adapted (like Hans did for OFBiz in Thailand at , it should only link back
to http://ofbiz.apache.org/
Same for the footer of http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/main (the "OFBiz
feather" used for the tweet could be ok if all
commiters get credentials and the PMC agree is the OFBiz official Tweeter
account). Now http://www.ofbiz.in.th/ is wrong also as
long it's not on the ASF infra (ofbiz should not be used in domain name
outsided of ASF infrastructure, is there other cases?)
It's time to clean the house, before all this becomes unmanageable
(proliferation). I made my best to explain the rules, if you
see a flaw in my reasoning please correct me. If you see other cases that
should be corrected, chime in, it's your duty!
And please also understand that it's really not pleaseant for me (or anyone
else I guess) to play the cop and spend so much time
on this (for persons out of PMC, we already shared some about this privately).
I dot it only because I'm a third party (ie not
HWM affiliated nor Ant Web) and I like things to be clear and no injustices
prevail. If we continue to ignore this facts they
will finally blow up in our faces (as this Tweeter account issue being to show)
and nobody will win anything. There are rules,
why not simply follow them, is that so hard?
Jacques
From: "Tim Ruppert" <[email protected]>
Hans, please revert this one too - sorry. It wouldn't make sense for all
service providers to do this - so please let's not
keep doing this stuff.
What i would recommend for this kind of stuff, if we need to list it at all,
would be to enhance the service providers page on
the wiki. I mentioned this earlier but maybe we should add a full page, linked
from the service provider page, where people
can put this type of info? I personally think this is what your own website
is for, but I'm all for enhancing everyone's
ability to get the word out.
What does everyone think of that as a place to promote yourself?
Cheers,
Ruppert
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Mar 6, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Gray <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm only going to send one email about this, If anyone else cares they can
push it.
This is news:
<a href="http://www.twitter.com/apache_ofbiz/"; target="_blank">Now OFBiz on
<b>TWITTER</b>, follow the news from an enduser
perspective</a>, up to one tweet per day.
A link to your home page is not:
You can also promote OFBiz at your site with this news, look <a
href="http://www.antwebsystems.com";>here for an example.</a>
Why you are constantly trying to push the boundaries I have no idea.
Regards
Scott
On 6/03/2010, at 6:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Author: hansbak
Date: Sun Mar 7 01:14:19 2010
New Revision: 919905
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=919905&view=rev
Log:
announcing the ofbiz twitter news now in line with the other news offerings.
Modified:
ofbiz/site/index.html
Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=919905&r1=919904&r2=919905&view=diff
=== === ===
=====================================================================
--- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
+++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sun Mar 7 01:14:19 2010
@@ -237,6 +237,7 @@
<h2>In the News</h2>
<ul>
+ <li><a href="http://www.twitter.com/ apache_ofbiz/" target="_blank">Now
OFBiz on <b>TWITTER</b>, follow
the news from an enduser perspective</a>, up to one tweet per day. You can
also promote OFBiz at your site with this news,
look <a href="http://www.antwebsystems.com";>here for an example.</a></li>
<li><a
href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-implementing-a-product-pdf-export/
"
target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial â?" Implementing a Product PDF export</a> on <a
href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media
Blog</a></li>
<li><a
href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-implementing-a-product-csv-export/
"
target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial â?" Implementing a Product CSV export</a> on <a
href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media
Blog</a></li>
<li><a
href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-enhancing-the-product-list-screen/
"
target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial â?" Enhancing the Product list screen</a> on <a
href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media
Blog</a></li>
