No, that's exactly what this discussion is about, here let me remind you about what Ruth asked: > Shouldn't this be discussed on the "user" list?
The mailing lists are what they are, I'm just describing the purposes that they are intended to fill. I'm not placing myself above the community, I don't even know how to respond to that. Regards Scott On 16/07/2012, at 9:59 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > This isn't about what the mailing lists are for. > > Don't try to fill in what others care about or need. But it would > definitely help if you would be a community member first, in stead of > placing yourself above it. > > > 2012/7/16 Scott Gray <[email protected]> > >> It all comes back to a general misunderstanding of the difference between >> the user and dev lists. >> >> The user list is for people who are using OFBiz as a business user or >> developing customized applications. When these types of people have a >> question, the user list is definitely appropriate. They don't necessarily >> care about the ongoing development of OFBiz itself, they need to discuss >> how to use what has been released. >> The dev list is for people who are interested in the ongoing development >> of OFBiz and wish to contribute code, documentation and ideas. If you care >> about the future of OFBiz then this is where you come and contribute. >> >> No one is attempting to exclude OFBiz users from any discussions, if they >> want to be involved in the development of OFBiz then they subscribe to the >> dev list just like everyone else. I feel like a broken record though, is >> there some way that we can more clearly articulate the distinction to the >> community? >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 16/07/2012, at 9:11 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >>> You mean excluding parts of the community from participating in the >>> decision-taking processes? >>> >>> 2012/7/16 Adrian Crum <[email protected]> >>> >>>> No, it smells like the current goal of moving things we don't want in >> the >>>> main project to external projects. This type of decision-making has been >>>> going on for years. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/16/2012 9:45 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree with Ruth. This sounds like a user requirement. And the >> community >>>>> should decide on this. >>>>> >>>>> Furthermore, the remark 'users might like a new feature, but that >> doesn't >>>>> mean the dev community wants it in the project' smells like measuring >> with >>>>> double standards; as if the meritocratic principle doesn't apply when >> the >>>>> committers don't want it in. Or as if changes always get in, when only >> the >>>>> committers want it. >>>>> >>>>> 2012/7/15 Adrian Crum <adrian.crum@sandglass-**software.com< >> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ruth, >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand your viewpoint. Personally, I prefer to present my ideas >> to >>>>>> the dev list to see if it is something the dev community wants >> included >>>>>> in >>>>>> the project. Users might like a new feature, but that doesn't mean the >>>>>> dev >>>>>> community wants it in the project. If there was no interest from the >> dev >>>>>> community, then I would offer it as an add-on product and announce it >> on >>>>>> the user list. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am also a user, and the design was based on the requirement to >> monitor >>>>>> and control server performance. I suppose I could go to the user list >> for >>>>>> more ideas, but the code I'm planning to commit is pretty basic, and >>>>>> users >>>>>> will be free to enhance it in whatever way they please. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/15/2012 12:13 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Adrian: >>>>>>> Shouldn't this be discussed on the "user" list? IMHO Words like >>>>>>> "applications" and "stats about services and entities"...those are >> all >>>>>>> indicative of user requirements, not developer requirements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Users should be driving requirements gathering and analysis for OFBiz >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> not developers. >>>>>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>
