And for expressing that you think of it as if I need to be taught something as a little child.
2012/7/16 Pierre Smits <[email protected]> > Thank you, Adrian, for your opinion. > > > 2012/7/16 Adrian Crum <[email protected]> > >> If anyone is placing themselves over anyone else, it is you. Scott and I >> are trying to help you understand how this community works, but you are not >> interested in being taught - you are only interested in railroading through >> your opinions. >> >> -Adrian >> >> >> On 7/16/2012 10:59 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >>> This isn't about what the mailing lists are for. >>> >>> Don't try to fill in what others care about or need. But it would >>> definitely help if you would be a community member first, in stead of >>> placing yourself above it. >>> >>> >>> 2012/7/16 Scott Gray <[email protected]> >>> >>> It all comes back to a general misunderstanding of the difference >>>> between >>>> the user and dev lists. >>>> >>>> The user list is for people who are using OFBiz as a business user or >>>> developing customized applications. When these types of people have a >>>> question, the user list is definitely appropriate. They don't >>>> necessarily >>>> care about the ongoing development of OFBiz itself, they need to discuss >>>> how to use what has been released. >>>> The dev list is for people who are interested in the ongoing development >>>> of OFBiz and wish to contribute code, documentation and ideas. If you >>>> care >>>> about the future of OFBiz then this is where you come and contribute. >>>> >>>> No one is attempting to exclude OFBiz users from any discussions, if >>>> they >>>> want to be involved in the development of OFBiz then they subscribe to >>>> the >>>> dev list just like everyone else. I feel like a broken record though, >>>> is >>>> there some way that we can more clearly articulate the distinction to >>>> the >>>> community? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 16/07/2012, at 9:11 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>>> >>>> You mean excluding parts of the community from participating in the >>>>> decision-taking processes? >>>>> >>>>> 2012/7/16 Adrian Crum >>>>> <adrian.crum@sandglass-**software.com<[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> No, it smells like the current goal of moving things we don't want in >>>>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> main project to external projects. This type of decision-making has >>>>>> been >>>>>> going on for years. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/16/2012 9:45 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with Ruth. This sounds like a user requirement. And the >>>>>>> >>>>>> community >>>> >>>>> should decide on this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Furthermore, the remark 'users might like a new feature, but that >>>>>>> >>>>>> doesn't >>>> >>>>> mean the dev community wants it in the project' smells like measuring >>>>>>> >>>>>> with >>>> >>>>> double standards; as if the meritocratic principle doesn't apply when >>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>> >>>>> committers don't want it in. Or as if changes always get in, when only >>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>> >>>>> committers want it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2012/7/15 Adrian Crum >>>>>>> <adrian.crum@sandglass-**softw**are.com<http://software.com> >>>>>>> < >>>>>>> >>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-**software.com<[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> >>>>> Ruth, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I understand your viewpoint. Personally, I prefer to present my >>>>>>>> ideas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>> >>>>> the dev list to see if it is something the dev community wants >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> included >>>> >>>>> in >>>>>>>> the project. Users might like a new feature, but that doesn't mean >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> dev >>>>>>>> community wants it in the project. If there was no interest from the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> dev >>>> >>>>> community, then I would offer it as an add-on product and announce it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> on >>>> >>>>> the user list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am also a user, and the design was based on the requirement to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> monitor >>>> >>>>> and control server performance. I suppose I could go to the user list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> for >>>> >>>>> more ideas, but the code I'm planning to commit is pretty basic, and >>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>> will be free to enhance it in whatever way they please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/15/2012 12:13 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Adrian: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shouldn't this be discussed on the "user" list? IMHO Words like >>>>>>>>> "applications" and "stats about services and entities"...those are >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> all >>>> >>>>> indicative of user requirements, not developer requirements. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Users should be driving requirements gathering and analysis for >>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> not developers. >>>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >
