You guys are a hoot! I love reading this list.
Com'on BJ...this is silly. Don't be so pretentious. Adrian already explained his point of view. So now I wanna know: What makes you think you can assign "opportunities" to Pierre? Or is that also part of the "meritocracy" that comes with being a member of this community?
Best Regards,
Ruth
On 7/16/12 11:49 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
I am using this one since it is a long thread and I don't want to read it all. This is a great opportunity for someone, like yourself, to take on the task of informing the user list of activity of the Dev list. Those that think it of interest on the user list can join or read the archive of the dev list.

Pierre Smits sent the following on 7/16/2012 2:11 AM:
You mean excluding parts of the community from participating in the
decision-taking processes?

2012/7/16 Adrian Crum<[email protected]>

No, it smells like the current goal of moving things we don't want in the main project to external projects. This type of decision-making has been
going on for years.

-Adrian


On 7/16/2012 9:45 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:

I agree with Ruth. This sounds like a user requirement. And the community
should decide on this.

Furthermore, the remark 'users might like a new feature, but that doesn't mean the dev community wants it in the project' smells like measuring with double standards; as if the meritocratic principle doesn't apply when the committers don't want it in. Or as if changes always get in, when only the
committers want it.

2012/7/15 Adrian Crum<adrian.crum@sandglass-**software.com<[email protected]>


  Ruth,

I understand your viewpoint. Personally, I prefer to present my ideas to the dev list to see if it is something the dev community wants included
in
the project. Users might like a new feature, but that doesn't mean the
dev
community wants it in the project. If there was no interest from the dev community, then I would offer it as an add-on product and announce it on
the user list.

I am also a user, and the design was based on the requirement to monitor and control server performance. I suppose I could go to the user list for
more ideas, but the code I'm planning to commit is pretty basic, and
users
will be free to enhance it in whatever way they please.

-Adrian


On 7/15/2012 12:13 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

  Hi Adrian:
Shouldn't this be discussed on the "user" list? IMHO Words like
"applications" and "stats about services and entities"...those are all
indicative of user requirements, not developer requirements.

Users should be driving requirements gathering and analysis for OFBiz
and
not developers.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards,
Ruth








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