OK Justin and I just had a love fest on Skype. :) Or humorous banter. Or something else.
Anyways, I'll try and keep my -1s to the dev list (watch out Kale! ^_^) and Justin and others will be understanding when some of us JIRA fanboys have tons of discussion in JIRA. Deal. Deal!!! Cheers, Chris On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I likened the debate to being which OS is best, which IDE is best, etc., >> because the truth of the matter is: none of them are, and there's more than >> one way to skin a cat. > > I apologize for getting meta and sticking on this point, but I'd like > to ensure we don't place artificial barriers to contributions by > having lengthy conversations and votes inside of an issue tracker. > > I find the OS/IDE analogy rather weak - the fact that I use Mac OS X, > GMail, or refuse to use Eclipse doesn't impact you in what OS or IDE > you use. I have options to contribute constructively to any > discussions even respecting my choices (and you do yours). However, > the fact that you use JIRA for detailed design discussions and > conversations means that no one else can follow detailed conversations > via email efficiently - and are forced to use JIRA. > > The fundamental issue is that you can't follow or contribute to a > lengthy conversation in JIRA without using JIRA. If you actually > tried to follow along via email, first off, you can't reply to issues > via email. Furthermore, JIRA's emails don't have proper references or > threading, so you just get a bazillion individual non-related posts. > In Gmail, since it has no other clues, it does try to group all > comments from one author together - so it means that I see all of > Brian's comments on an issue in one "conversation" and all of your > comments in a completely separate "conversation". It's very very > painful to follow as I see Brian's responses to you first without > seeing your comments first. My head hurts trying to follow along - > ugh. > > Email is a great common denominator that lets people use the tools and > workflow they desire. JIRA doesn't. It raises the bar significantly > for contributing to discussions. Again, JIRA is acceptable for issue > tracking, but please let's not make it the place where conversations > and votes are held. -- justin ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
