I'm just glad I did not have to step in and restrain you two ;)... -Dave W
On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > OK Justin and I just had a love fest on Skype. :) Or humorous banter. Or > something else. > > Anyways, I'll try and keep my -1s to the dev list (watch out Kale! ^_^) and > Justin and others will be understanding when some of us JIRA fanboys have > tons of discussion in JIRA. Deal. Deal!!! > > Cheers, > Chris > > > On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I likened the debate to being which OS is best, which IDE is best, etc., >>> because the truth of the matter is: none of them are, and there's more than >>> one way to skin a cat. >> >> I apologize for getting meta and sticking on this point, but I'd like >> to ensure we don't place artificial barriers to contributions by >> having lengthy conversations and votes inside of an issue tracker. >> >> I find the OS/IDE analogy rather weak - the fact that I use Mac OS X, >> GMail, or refuse to use Eclipse doesn't impact you in what OS or IDE >> you use. I have options to contribute constructively to any >> discussions even respecting my choices (and you do yours). However, >> the fact that you use JIRA for detailed design discussions and >> conversations means that no one else can follow detailed conversations >> via email efficiently - and are forced to use JIRA. >> >> The fundamental issue is that you can't follow or contribute to a >> lengthy conversation in JIRA without using JIRA. If you actually >> tried to follow along via email, first off, you can't reply to issues >> via email. Furthermore, JIRA's emails don't have proper references or >> threading, so you just get a bazillion individual non-related posts. >> In Gmail, since it has no other clues, it does try to group all >> comments from one author together - so it means that I see all of >> Brian's comments on an issue in one "conversation" and all of your >> comments in a completely separate "conversation". It's very very >> painful to follow as I see Brian's responses to you first without >> seeing your comments first. My head hurts trying to follow along - >> ugh. >> >> Email is a great common denominator that lets people use the tools and >> workflow they desire. JIRA doesn't. It raises the bar significantly >> for contributing to discussions. Again, JIRA is acceptable for issue >> tracking, but please let's not make it the place where conversations >> and votes are held. -- justin > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >
