Re: [THOUGHT] WebAdmin with JSF + AJAX

[Raj Saini]

AFAIK, Pluto release contains bundled Tomcat Server. However, it should 
not be difficult to deploy them in any other servlet container.
Geronimo supports both Jetty and Tomcat container though I did not check 
it recently.

Raj
Karan Malhi wrote:
Does pluto work with Jetty (Technically it should work with any
servlet container), but I remember using pluto a year and a half ago
and I saw somewhere that it only worked with tomcat (or maybe a
certain feature worked with only tomcat).

Do you know of any project which has successfully used Jetty + Pluto.
What is the servlet container container for Geronimo?


On 8/30/07, Raj Saini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
I think Jetty is the best choice as it is light weight, embeddable and
very small foot print. ActiveMQ uses that for its web console.

I do not feel bundling tomcat with OpenEJB will be right think to do.
Admin Console should transparent from user. However, it would be nice to
provide the standalone web application which users can deploy inside
their application. For example, I embed ActiveMQ in one of my web
application. Earlier I was forced to use the embedded Jetty (i.e.
running a servlet (Jetty) container inside another contain (Tomcat).
Standalone web application should be deployable in any servlet container.

Having web admin application as portelts is good idea but it would need
portal container. Pluto should be the choice (portals.apache.org) as it
is reference implementation of JSR-168 and comes with minimal baggage.

And I feel JMX is the standard to manage OpenEJB server and deployed
components.

Thanks,

Raj

Karan Malhi wrote:
    
1- Do we have to use JSP or Portlets just because we wan to to use them, or
we just need to provide good looking dynamic WebAdmin for OpenEJB, we
started to think of the technology before we see what we really need

        
Thats a good one ;) . I think of it is "there is already something
available which can allow you to do a lot more and a lot faster ". So
JSF gives me the ability to build GUI rapidly, which is what we need
for WebAdming (GUI). Portlets give me layout and common look and feel
capabilities and other stuff. Allows me to "drop in" functionality at
the correct location without affecting anything else on the page.
Something like "Oh, I wish I could configure xyz on the server through
web admin, or I wish I could customize the way i look at log files
through webadmin" could be created and plugged in independently by a
developer.
This also allows somebody who just wants to add  functionality on
their own instance of web admin in a standard way. For example, if i
created a cool portlet for my web admin, I can easily plugin into
webadmin without knowing anything about the current webadmin
framework. Later I realize that my portlet could be useful for the
community as a whole, I can simply submit the code to OpenEJB and we
can drop it into web admin.

      
2- If we really need to use any of these technologies, we can search for
smaller Engines which provide the main functionality,

        
I think, For JSP support we could use Jasper to compile jsp's


      
sure - of Jetty, and we can provide OpenEJB we Jetty only to serve the
WebAdmin, or we can do as Karan suggested before to have OpenEJB distro
already bundled with Tomcat and/or Jetty .

        
Yes, ship the standalone version without webadmin and tomcat version
would have webadmin. People can pick and choose the distro depending
on what features they need

      
On 8/30/07, Jacek Laskowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

        
On 8/27/07, David Blevins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

          
Is it possible to support JSF without a full servlet container, jsp
enginge, and tag libs support?

            
I don't think so. JSF is layered atop JSP so although you might think
of JSF with no servlet container (plus JSP) there's no JSF
implementation I can think of that would run in a servlet container
with no jsp engine. I'd like to hear I'm mistaken though. It'd be
great to have a JSF console for openejb. I like the idea.

Jacek

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