I once tried to replace the tomcat el-api.jar with EL-2.2 from both 
javax.el-api and juel-api, and both broke tomcat.
I also tried to run juel with javax.el-api which also didn't work, same the 
other way around ...

LieGrue,
strub



----- Original Message -----
> From: David Blevins <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]; Mark Struberg <[email protected]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Inclusion of MyFace API in javaee-api jar
> 
> 
> On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Mark Struberg wrote:
> 
>>  actually most of the other javaee APIs share the same problem like myfaces.
> 
> The only other one that we've had issues with is JavaMail.  That one 
> doesn't even have an impl jar its that bad.
> 
> Maybe servlet, though not sure as Geronimo has used the same servlet API jar 
> with Tomcat and Jetty for years.
> 
>>  E.g. you cannot exchange javax.el-api.jar with the tomcat or juel versions, 
> because they really must fit to their impl jars! They are all API compatible, 
> but _not_ runtime compatible!
> 
> Wasn't aware about the EL jar.  /me grumbles about the concept of an api vs 
> implementation :)
> 
> Do you recall any details about EL?  Will dig around, but if you have any 
> pointers that'd be great.
> 
>>  The CDI and atinject apis are fine in this regard, not 100% sure about 
> javax.validation-api.
> 
> Picked through the geronimo-validation_1.0_spec source just to be sure.  It 
> looks good.
> 
> 
> 
> -David
> 
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <[email protected]>
>>>  To: [email protected]
>>>  Cc: 
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:14 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: Inclusion of MyFace API in javaee-api jar
>>> 
>>>  No no, go ahead!
>>> 
>>>  Jean-Louis
>>> 
>>>  2012/1/4 David Blevins <[email protected]>
>>> 
>>>>  Didn't seem there were any objections to yanking MyFaces API 
> from the
>>>>  javaee-api jar.  Speak up if you have other thoughts.
>>>> 
>>>>  Will aim to release this tomorrow if possible.  Happy to wait -- 
> just say
>>>>  the word :)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  -David
>>>> 
>>>>  On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  maybe we can wait Jon talk (tuesday) before doing it?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  - Romain
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  2011/10/28 David Blevins <[email protected]>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  We should probably yank the myfaces-api from the current 
>>>  javaee-api jar
>>>>>>  snapshot.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Seems this jar is really an implementation and if someone 
> wanted 
>>>  to use
>>>>  a
>>>>>>  different Faces implementation they would be unable to do 
> so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  -David
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  On Oct 28, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Matt Benson wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:46 PM, David Blevins <
>>>>  [email protected]>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>  Quick question on the 
> org.apache.myfaces.core:myfaces-api 
>>>  jar.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Is it tied to MyFaces in some way?  Guessing the 
> answer 
>>>  is, yes, as it
>>>>>>  is labeled "myfaces-api" and not something more 
> generic 
>>>  like "faces-api"
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  If the answer is, no, then the follow up is how 
> often does 
>>>  its
>>>>  contents
>>>>>>  change?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  If it is stable and only changed once in a while, 
> we might 
>>>  include it
>>>>  in
>>>>>>  the javaee-api jar we produce from OpenEJB/TomEE.  We 
> don't 
>>>  include
>>>>  JavaMail
>>>>>>  for example as it really isn't an API but an actual 
>>>  implementation.
>>>>    Seems
>>>>>>  like that is the case here.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Nail on the head and all that.  :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Matt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  -David
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>

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