already switched all projects to this group
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>wrote: > Denis can create any nice looking groups @dataved.ru, e.g. > red5...@dataved.ru. This is free and robust because this is Google > Apps account. > > -- > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > http://dataved.ru/ > +7 916 562 8095 > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:31 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com > <seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/apache-openmeetings-extras > > > > Group mail address would be: > > apache-openmeetings-ext...@googlegroups.com< > openmeetings-apache-ext...@googlegroups.com> > > ... yeah but you got it already :) > > > > Sebastian > > > > > > 2013/3/22 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> > > > >> great :) > >> can you create one? > >> And we will use it's email in all "extra projects" > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:17 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < > >> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > just create a Google Group for example? > >> > Anybody interested in those emails can subscribe to it. > >> > > >> > Sebastian > >> > > >> > > >> > 2013/3/22 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> > > Maybe anybody knows how to create group email alias for free? > >> > > something like: dev-om-apache-ext...@whatever.com? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Maxim Solodovnik < > >> solomax...@gmail.com > >> > > >wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > I have updated all apache-extras projects (replace dev@ with my > >> email > >> > or > >> > > > Sebastian's email) > >> > > > except for (no adminitration rights) > >> > > > > >> > > https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/openmeetings-atutor-plugin > >> > > > https://code.google.com/p/red5phone/ > >> > > > > >> > > > @Sebastian can you update these two? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:13 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < > >> > > > seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> The OpenMeetings PMC agrees on disabling those notifications. > >> > > >> Anybody interested in those emails can subscribe to it on its > own. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Sebastian > >> > > >> Am 22.03.2013 05:34 schrieb "Luciano Resende" < > luckbr1...@gmail.com > >> >: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:00 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com > >> > > >> > <seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > There is a flag in the mail notification to turn of diff's in > >> > those > >> > > >> > emails. > >> > > >> > > So theoretically those emails don't have to include not even > >> code > >> > > >> > fragments > >> > > >> > > of GPL licensed code. > >> > > >> > > So those emails could become what they initially should have > >> been: > >> > > >> Some > >> > > >> > > simple notification of activity. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > We are actually also not interested in what exactly has > changed > >> or > >> > > >> > archiving > >> > > >> > > external activities. > >> > > >> > > If anybody is interested in those projects he can catch up > with > >> > > those > >> > > >> > > involved there. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > All we are interested is a "heads up" there is something > going > >> on > >> > as > >> > > >> we > >> > > >> > > provide integration APIs that 3th parties are using. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > There are also a number of more 3th party projects that send > >> those > >> > > >> pings. > >> > > >> > > Basically all projects hosted at apache-extras.org are > >> configured > >> > > to > >> > > >> > send a > >> > > >> > > ping to our list when there was a SVN commit. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/hosting/search?q=openmeetings > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > It is argueable if an Apache developer list is the right > place > >> to > >> > > have > >> > > >> > such > >> > > >> > > a "news aggregator" for activities around OpenMeetings. > >> > > >> > > There might be easy ways to resolve such a conflict. Possibly > >> for > >> > > >> > example a > >> > > >> > > Google Group Mailing list. "openmeetings-apache-extras" or > >> > something > >> > > >> like > >> > > >> > > that. It does in fact not make a difference, just another > >> mailing > >> > > >> list to > >> > > >> > > monitor :) > >> > > >> > > It is just a bit an imaginary line that we draw here from my > >> point > >> > > of > >> > > >> > view. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Sebastian > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > 2013/3/21 Jim Jagielski <j...@apache.org> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> IMO, it's inappropriate content for a dev@ list, which is > >> > > >> > >> a place to *discuss* development, not an "archive" for > >> > > >> > >> external development, legal issues notwithstanding. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Shane Curcuru < > >> a...@shanecurcuru.org > >> > > > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I would be uncomfortable as well. If project members want > to > >> > > follow > >> > > >> > >> > external projects that's great, but duplicating all of an > >> > > external > >> > > >> > project's > >> > > >> > >> > messages onto the public dev@ list is... not a best > >> practice, > >> > to > >> > > >> say > >> > > >> > the > >> > > >> > >> > least. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > Personally, I'd have to presume (for the average user) > that > >> > > >> everything > >> > > >> > >> > coming from that other GPL licensed project is GPL. Thus, > >> this > >> > > >> seems > >> > > >> > to > >> > > >> > >> > violate the principle of least surprise and the fact that > GPL > >> > is > >> > > >> > Category X, > >> > > >> > >> > which means that end users should be able to use Apache > >> > projects > >> > > >> and > >> > > >> > >> > products without having to worry that GPL code is > included - > >> > > either > >> > > >> > in the > >> > > >> > >> > download, or in other places on our websites or mailing > >> lists. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > - Shane > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > On 3/19/2013 6:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > >> > > >> > >> >> It's come to my attention that the openmeetings project > has > >> > > >> recently > >> > > >> > >> >> subscribed their dev list to the commit messages of a > Google > >> > > Code > >> > > >> > >> >> hosted > >> > > >> > >> >> project under the GPL. I asked why and was told " those > >> > updates > >> > > >> are > >> > > >> > >> >> interesting for our integration API." There is some > overlap > >> in > >> > > >> > >> >> committers but the project communities do seem to be > >> distinct > >> > > >> other > >> > > >> > >> >> than > >> > > >> > >> >> this cross-posting of commits. > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> I'm quite uncomfortable about this as it means that GPL > code > >> > is > >> > > >> > passing > >> > > >> > >> >> through our lists (and being archived) without any clear > >> > > >> indication > >> > > >> > of > >> > > >> > >> >> its legal status. What I'm not sure about is whether my > >> > > >> discomfort is > >> > > >> > >> >> because of an irrational fear of someone inadvertently > using > >> > GPL > >> > > >> code > >> > > >> > >> >> without knowing it or whether that is, in fact, a > rational > >> > fear. > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> Advice please? > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> Ross > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> -- > >> > > >> > >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > >> > > >> > >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development) > >> > > >> > >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > We have had a similar discussion in the ComDev related to > Apache > >> > > >> > Extras [1], and the consensus at that time was that external > >> > projects, > >> > > >> > particular the ones that are not compatible with AL2, should be > >> > > >> > managed separately, which means that we should not encourage > PMCs > >> to > >> > > >> > have their official mailing lists receiving e-mails from other > >> > > >> > non-Apache GPL projects. If individuals are interested on > what's > >> > going > >> > > >> > on with external projects, they should subscribe to these > projects > >> > > >> > mailing list as an individual. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201209.mbox/%3CCALvzYd-h4Q%3DcTEgGqCNEEninhVose8uiGt2gTK22n9cMr_kVyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Luciano Resende > >> > > >> > http://people.apache.org/~lresende > >> > > >> > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > >> > > >> > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscr...@apache.org > >> > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-h...@apache.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > WBR > >> > > > Maxim aka solomax > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > WBR > >> > > Maxim aka solomax > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Sebastian Wagner > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com > >> > seba.wag...@gmail.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> WBR > >> Maxim aka solomax > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Sebastian Wagner > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock > > http://www.webbase-design.de > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com > > seba.wag...@gmail.com > -- WBR Maxim aka solomax
