>> I would say: in 2.1 some attributes will be ONLY in config.xml I'll correct myself in both versions network related parameters can be passed via injecting it into HTML
I can implement it On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]>wrote: > I would say: in 2.1 some attributes will be ONLY in config.xml > I believe all attributes can be moved into DB in 3.0 > Actually network attributes can be passed as parameters to the flash tag > in browser (object tag if I'm not mistaken) > Since all static functionality except for video (for now) will be > available via HTML all these parameter will be accessible to the end user > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Will some attributes be kept in the config file and in the database? What >> reason of that moving? >> >> >> 2013/4/24 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> >> >> > network related staff can be moved to DB only if config will be >> available >> > via REST (probably in 3.0 we can bypass this) >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected] >> > >wrote: >> > >> > > I'll vote for moving everything into DB >> > > Appdisplay can be removed (in 3.0 in favor of CSS) >> > > AvailableCamResolutions can be new tables like room types >> > > >> > > Client reload will still be necessary to renew the values (in 2.1.X) >> > > >> > > currentappname >> > > currentappnameurl >> > > can be dropped IMHO >> > > other should be reviewed >> > > >> > > Who is going to implement this? >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko < >> [email protected] >> > >wrote: >> > > >> > >> We also have some parameters which can't be moved to database in >> current >> > >> implementation, for example "appdisplay", >> "availableCameraResolutions". >> > In >> > >> my opinion all other parameters could be moved to database as needed. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> 2013/4/24 Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> >> > >> >> > >> > I mostly agree. >> > >> > >> > >> > Maybe we should have several parameter groups - eg system >> parameters, >> > >> those >> > >> > to change with care >> > >> > On Apr 24, 2013 2:32 PM, "[email protected]" < >> > [email protected] >> > >> > >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > If that param is part of the Administration > Configuration I >> would >> > >> > propose >> > >> > > to have a general review which of those parameters of the >> > config.xml. >> > >> > > Maybe even more of them should be moved to the database then. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > This is our current client side config file: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/openmeetings/config.xml?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Candidates the can be moved to the database are ... all ? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I don't see a lot of sense if trying to follow two different >> > >> approaches >> > >> > and >> > >> > > having multiple places for config's. >> > >> > > It will just lead to feedback that was given in the past like >> > >> > "OpenMeetings >> > >> > > configuration is spread around a dozen of files" >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Seems like a majority of people would prefer a database solution. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > So one potential fix or idea would be for example to create the >> > >> > config.xml >> > >> > > via a Servlet dynamically. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > That way the client can have still a very easy way of loading the >> > >> config >> > >> > > file by simply parsing it. >> > >> > > And you can generate the config.xml dynamically on server side >> based >> > >> on >> > >> > > database values. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > From that point of view _any_ value of the config.xml could >> > >> immediately >> > >> > > move to the database. >> > >> > > We just have to keep in mind that this config.xml can be >> retrieved >> > >> > > anonymously, so it makes no sense to put any security sensible >> data >> > >> into >> > >> > > it. >> > >> > > But it would for example simplify some of our current docs as >> there >> > >> is no >> > >> > > separated configuration for client and server needed, like >> > potentially >> > >> > the >> > >> > > port configuration. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Would do folks think about that idea? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Sebastian >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > 2013/4/24 Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > @Sebastian >> > >> > > > As for hardware, we used jabra. >> > >> > > > On Apr 24, 2013 12:54 PM, "Vasya" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > +1 for database >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > >> > > > > Vasiliy >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > On 24.04.2013 14:49, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> I would prefer Admin->configuration since it is migrated >> while >> > OM >> > >> > > > upgrades >> > >> > > > >> But config.xml requires less code changes :) >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM, [email protected] < >> > >> > > > >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> The basic rule so far was to put client side/ UI / layout >> > >> settings >> > >> > in >> > >> > > > the >> > >> > > > >>> config.xml. >> > >> > > > >>> The config.xml is parsed by both SWFs (SWF8 and SWF10) on >> > >> startup >> > >> > one >> > >> > > > >>> time. >> > >> > > > >>> So it is also rather easy compared to have a database value >> > that >> > >> > then >> > >> > > > has >> > >> > > > >>> to be somehow loaded to the client. >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> Sebastian >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> 2013/4/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> What kind of solution would be better for switching >> codecs, >> > >> AEC, >> > >> > EM >> > >> > > > and >> > >> > > > >>>> echo suppression: using config.xml or "Configuration" in >> the >> > >> > > > >>>> "Administration" menu? >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> 2013/4/23 Joseph Karwat <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> IMHO. When something does not work well users generally >> ask >> > >> for >> > >> > > help >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> from >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> their service provider. In our shop our staff explains >> AEC >> > >> issues >> > >> > > to >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> end >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> users and works with them to resolve the issue. Having >> AEC >> > as >> > >> an >> > >> > > easy >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> to >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> enable/disable user option, is very helpful in providing >> the >> > >> type >> > >> > of >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> end >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> user support that will enable widespread adoption of OM. >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> I'd be pleased to work with the group to formally test >> AEC >> > and >> > >> > > > resolve >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> this >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> issue. >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo | >> www.jellnet.com| >> > >> > > > >>>>> JELL NETWORKS, INC. >> > >> > > > >>>>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> Click Here to Register for your JellVideo Collaboration >> > >> Account >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > > >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] >> > >> > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:53 AM >> > >> > > > >>>>> To: dev >> > >> > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: AEC in the new release >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> IMHO having yet another checkbox where the user can >> decide >> > to >> > >> > > enable >> > >> > > > or >> > >> > > > >>>>> disable AEC can be only an additional thing on top of a >> > >> general >> > >> > > > system >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> wide >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> configuration. >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> The problem with this is for example that the average >> user >> > >> does >> > >> > not >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> even >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> know what AEC means. >> > >> > > > >>>>> Or what is the difference between hardware echo >> cancellation >> > >> and >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> software >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> echo cancellation ?! >> > >> > > > >>>>> So what would be the benefit for him in having a checkbox >> > >> tagged >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> "enabled >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> AEC" ? >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> One of the concerns people have against OpenMeetings is >> its >> > >> > > > complexity. >> > >> > > > >>>>> They just want to conference and not bother around with a >> > lot >> > >> of >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> options. >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> I would also not disable the AEC feature by default as >> long >> > as >> > >> > there >> > >> > > > is >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> no >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> concrete use-case where AEC (or enhancedMicro mode) >> leads to >> > >> an >> > >> > > > issue. >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> Same for h264. There was a discussion that included h264 >> a >> > >> couple >> > >> > > of >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> weeks >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> ago: >> > >> > > > >>>>> http://markmail.org/message/**fctg6eo5qf5hhcaa< >> > >> > > > http://markmail.org/message/fctg6eo5qf5hhcaa> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> The consens was: >> > >> > > > >>>>> - The amount of CPU that our clients needed more was >> not >> > >> > > > measurable. >> > >> > > > >>>>> - There is no concrete use case where enabling or >> > disabling >> > >> > h264 >> > >> > > > >>>>> would >> > >> > > > >>>>> improve anything I agree that having a config for the >> Video >> > >> > codec, >> > >> > > > same >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> as >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> the Microphone Mode, would be nice. >> > >> > > > >>>>> But changing any defaults now back and forth without >> > concrete >> > >> use >> > >> > > > cases >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>> and >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> some kind of test plan does not make a lot of sense to >> me. >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> So what I would propose is: >> > >> > > > >>>>> - Make Microphone and VideoCodec configurable and >> > >> documentate >> > >> > > this >> > >> > > > >>>>> - Set up a concrete test plan and communicate that >> through >> > >> our >> > >> > > > >>>>> mailing >> > >> > > > >>>>> lists. >> > >> > > > >>>>> Based on the feedback we might then discuss changing some >> > >> > defaults. >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> Sebastian >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> 2013/4/23 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> My previous comment was regarding video codec Auto >> > selecting >> > >> > h264 >> > >> > > > >>>>>> based on SIP setting is not a good idea IMHO >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko < >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> [email protected] >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> Usually (for example, in Linphone) echo cancellation >> > option >> > >> is >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> available for every user. In my opinion it would be >> better >> > >> to >> > >> > > allow >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> users to decide use echo cancellation or not because >> its >> > >> > > efficiency >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>> depends on hardware. >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> 2013/4/23 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> Maybe it is better to make it configurable somehow? >> > >> config.xml >> > >> > > is >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> good candidate IMHO >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> <[email protected] >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> Hello, >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> I suppose using h264 would be necessary only in SIP >> > rooms, >> > >> > for >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> all >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> other >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> rooms - codec which used before (h263?). It avoids any >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> suspections >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> about >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> h264 issues and increses performance. I'm also going >> to >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> implement >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> switching >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> microphone mode in the audio/video test dialog. Is >> there >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> anybody >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> who disagree with this idea? >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2013/4/23 Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> That would be great! >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2013 5:36 AM, "Maxim Solodovnik" >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> @Alexei this definitely can be done in realtime, BUT >> > ... >> > >> :) >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> The setting affects Working microphone so it is >> > >> impossible >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ON/OFF >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> it >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> while speaking :( >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> The only option I can see is to add dropdown >> control >> > to >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> testSetupDialog >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> (the one with choose camera and test recording). So >> we >> > can >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> have >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> something >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> like: >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1) default system setting (can be moved to >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin->configuration >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> to >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> avoid >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> rewriting it after each upgrade) >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2) per user setting stored in LocalData (like >> > >> rememberLogin >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> default >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> cam/mic >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> etc.) >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> using above scheme user can change the setting >> while >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> entering the >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> room >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> or >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> "re-sync" audio/video >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Joseph Karwat < >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> We tested AEC out-of-the-box. We just installed >> and >> > >> ran a >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> meeting >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> in >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> OM2.1- Litle or no echo. We then, using the exact >> same >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> configuration, >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> logged in to an OM2.0 server and ran a meeting. We >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> experienced >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> substantial >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> echo. We were both running a PC with Flash echo >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> cancellation on >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> but >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> no >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> hardware echo cancelation. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Also for OM2.1 Where do I set the buffer lenghth? >> > Are >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> any >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> other >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters/options I should know about? >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph Karwat | CEO | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo | >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> www.jellnet.com| >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> JELL NETWORKS, INC. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Click Here to Register for your JellVideo >> > Collaboration >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Account >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alexei Fedotov [mailto:alexei.fedotov@gmail >> . >> > >> **com< >> > >> > > > [email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ] >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:49 PM >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: AEC in the new release >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph, which devices show improvement? Which >> buffer >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> length did >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> you >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> use? >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I like the suggestion - Maxim, how is it possible >> to >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> configure >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> AEC >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> in >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> realtime? >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2013 11:30 PM, "Joseph Karwat" >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> We have a test OM2.1 server installed at AWS running >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unbuntu >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 12.04. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> We tested AEC this morning for the first time and it >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> did >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> seem >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> make >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> the audio work very well. Little if no echo. We >> still >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> need >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> test >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> under a wide range of scenarios, but we are >> encouraged >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> by the performance this morning. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do make it a configurable setting. It >> should >> > be >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> an >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> option >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> when >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> setting up the room or allow the individual user to >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> enable/disabe >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> AEC >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> when in a conference room. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Making it a system-wide configuration option will >> > >> delay >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> testing >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> and >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> adoption. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> We will be conducting further testing of AEC over >> > the >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> next >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> few >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> days >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> and will report back with our findings. Anyone >> wishing >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> participate >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> in our AEC testing is encouraged to contact me. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph Karwat |415-462-0263 | JellVideo | >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jellnet.com | >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> JELL >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> NETWORKS, INC. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Click Here to Register for your JellVideo >> > >> Collaboration >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Account >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alexei Fedotov [mailto: >> alexei.fedotov@gmail. >> > >> **com< >> > >> > > > [email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ] >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:49 AM >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev; [email protected] >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AEC in the new release >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no answers. My point here is that we >> can >> > be >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> sure >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> that >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> today AEC does not work as expected, and provides >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> distinctive >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> high >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> quality echo in 100% of situations when users use >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> separate >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> and >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> microphone systems. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The new thing is AEC mechanism sometimes meddles >> > with >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> hardware >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> echo >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> cancellation support providing temporary sound >> outages. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> also >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> provides visible de-synchronization between sound and >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> video >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> channels. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> If someone has a different experience, please, speak >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> up. >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> So I have two ideas to speak of. 1. Disable AEC in >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> openmeetings >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> releases by default. It takes a simple configuration >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> change >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> enable >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> it. 2. Later understand when AEC really works, and >> fix >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> it. >> > >> > > > >>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> Folks, please again let me know if you disagree and >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> have >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>>> beneficial >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>> AEC experience. >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >> Alexei >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fedotov >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> / >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> Алексей >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +7 916 562 8095 >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Alexei Fedotov >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello guys, >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How AEC (acoustic echo cancellation) works for >> you >> > in >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> new >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> release? >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone share usage experience? >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >> > Alexei >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fedotov >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> / >> > >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +7 916 562 8095 >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> WBR >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> -- >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> WBR >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>> -- >> > >> > > > >>>>>> WBR >> > >> > > > >>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> -- >> > >> > > > >>>>> Sebastian Wagner >> > >> > > > >>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_**lock < >> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de >> > >> > > > >>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.**com < >> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >>>>> [email protected] >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>>>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> -- >> > >> > > > >>> Sebastian Wagner >> > >> > > > >>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_**lock < >> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >>> http://www.webbase-design.de >> > >> > > > >>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.**com < >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >>> [email protected] >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > -- >> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner >> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de >> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> > >> > > [email protected] >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > WBR >> > > Maxim aka solomax >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > WBR >> > Maxim aka solomax >> > >> > > > > -- > WBR > Maxim aka solomax > -- WBR Maxim aka solomax
