@Maxim "I'll correct myself in both versions network related parameters can be passed via injecting it into HTML" => What do you mean by that? You want to pass the params as flashvars in the SWF embed code? Keep in mind that both SWFs have to read the config values separated. I am not sure if the SWF8 app can read those flashvars passed in the embed code.
What about this tab layout thing, has it something to do with the config parameters or is this a new topic? Thanks, Sebastian 2013/4/26 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> > config.xml > > <echoPath>128</echoPath> > <echoSuppression>true</echoSuppression> > > please read parameter comments for usage > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Joseph Karwat <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Maxim: > > > > I'm continuing my testing of AEC in OM 2.1.1 Revision: 1467936 Ubuntu > > 12.04. > > > > Are there any system settings that affect AEC that I can change. You > > mentioned a buffer length below. > > > > Thanks > > > > Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo | www.jellnet.com | > > JELL NETWORKS, INC. > > Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions > > > > Click Here to Register for your JellVideo Collaboration Account > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:33 AM > > To: dev > > Subject: Re: AEC in the new release > > > > I mean more local tabs. > > for example room administration: currently it is 2 screens of editable > > fields I propose to add tabs to it First tab (opened by default) will > > contain room > > name+description+type+public/private (maybe 1-2 additional parameters) > > Other tabs will contain additional parameters for advanced use > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > I thought about using tabs too. I imagine UI like tabs in a browser: > > > tab for administrtion, tab for room, tab for calendar etc. > > > > > > > > > 2013/4/24 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> One of the concerns people have against OpenMeetings is its > > > complexity. > > > > >> They just want to conference and not bother around with a lot of > > > > options. > > > > > > > > I would propose to use tabs in our screens (jquieryUI tabs with > > > > collapsible option to save space) So in any "complex" screen user > > > > will see only basic tab and will open advanced if necessary > > > > > > > > I can implement in in CalendarEvent and/or Room options as an > example. > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:53 PM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > IMHO having yet another checkbox where the user can decide to > > > > > enable or disable AEC can be only an additional thing on top of a > > > > > general system > > > > wide > > > > > configuration. > > > > > > > > > > The problem with this is for example that the average user does > > > > > not > > > even > > > > > know what AEC means. > > > > > Or what is the difference between hardware echo cancellation and > > > software > > > > > echo cancellation ?! > > > > > So what would be the benefit for him in having a checkbox tagged > > > "enabled > > > > > AEC" ? > > > > > > > > > > One of the concerns people have against OpenMeetings is its > > complexity. > > > > > They just want to conference and not bother around with a lot of > > > options. > > > > > > > > > > I would also not disable the AEC feature by default as long as > > > > > there is > > > > no > > > > > concrete use-case where AEC (or enhancedMicro mode) leads to an > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > Same for h264. There was a discussion that included h264 a couple > > > > > of > > > > weeks > > > > > ago: > > > > > http://markmail.org/message/fctg6eo5qf5hhcaa > > > > > > > > > > The consens was: > > > > > - The amount of CPU that our clients needed more was not > measurable. > > > > > - There is no concrete use case where enabling or disabling h264 > > > > > would improve anything I agree that having a config for the Video > > > > > codec, same as the > > > Microphone > > > > > Mode, would be nice. > > > > > But changing any defaults now back and forth without concrete use > > > > > cases > > > > and > > > > > some kind of test plan does not make a lot of sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > So what I would propose is: > > > > > - Make Microphone and VideoCodec configurable and documentate > > > > > this > > > > > - Set up a concrete test plan and communicate that through our > > > > > mailing lists. > > > > > Based on the feedback we might then discuss changing some defaults. > > > > > > > > > > Sebastian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/4/23 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > My previous comment was regarding video codec Auto selecting > > > > > > h264 based on SIP setting is not a good idea IMHO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually (for example, in Linphone) echo cancellation option is > > > > > available > > > > > > > for every user. In my opinion it would be better to allow > > > > > > > users to > > > > > decide > > > > > > > use echo cancellation or not because its efficiency depends on > > > > > hardware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/4/23 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it is better to make it configurable somehow? > > > > > > > > config.xml is > > > > > good > > > > > > > > candidate IMHO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose using h264 would be necessary only in SIP rooms, > > > > > > > > > for > > > > all > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > rooms - codec which used before (h263?). It avoids any > > > > suspections > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > h264 issues and increses performance. I'm also going to > > > implement > > > > > > > > switching > > > > > > > > > microphone mode in the audio/video test dialog. Is there > > > anybody > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > disagree with this idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/4/23 Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would be great! > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013 5:36 AM, "Maxim Solodovnik" < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Alexei this definitely can be done in realtime, BUT > > > > > > > > > > > ... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The setting affects Working microphone so it is > > > > > > > > > > > impossible > > > to > > > > > > > ON/OFF > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > while speaking :( > > > > > > > > > > > The only option I can see is to add dropdown control > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > testSetupDialog > > > > > > > > > > > (the one with choose camera and test recording). So we > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > have > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > like: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) default system setting (can be moved to > > > > Admin->configuration > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > avoid > > > > > > > > > > > rewriting it after each upgrade) > > > > > > > > > > > 2) per user setting stored in LocalData (like > > > > > > > > > > > rememberLogin > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > cam/mic > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using above scheme user can change the setting while > > > entering > > > > > the > > > > > > > > room > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > "re-sync" audio/video > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Joseph Karwat < > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We tested AEC out-of-the-box. We just installed and > > > > > > > > > > > > ran a > > > > > > meeting > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > OM2.1- Litle or no echo. We then, using the exact > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > logged in to an OM2.0 server and ran a meeting. We > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > > > > substantial > > > > > > > > > > > > echo. We were both running a PC with Flash echo > > > > cancellation > > > > > on > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > hardware echo cancelation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also for OM2.1 Where do I set the buffer lenghth? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are > > > > there > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > parameters/options I should know about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joseph Karwat | CEO | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo | > > > > > > www.jellnet.com| > > > > > > > > > > > > JELL NETWORKS, INC. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click Here to Register for your JellVideo > > > > > > > > > > > > Collaboration > > > > > Account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Alexei Fedotov > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: AEC in the new release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joseph, which devices show improvement? Which buffer > > > length > > > > > did > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the suggestion - Maxim, how is it possible to > > > > > configure > > > > > > > AEC > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > realtime? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2013 11:30 PM, "Joseph Karwat" < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a test OM2.1 server installed at AWS > > > > > > > > > > > > > running > > > > > Unbuntu > > > > > > > > 12.04. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We tested AEC this morning for the first time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > did > > > > > seem > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > the audio work very well. Little if no echo. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > under a wide range of scenarios, but we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > encouraged > > > by > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > performance this morning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do make it a configurable setting. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be > > > an > > > > > > > option > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > setting up the room or allow the individual user > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > enable/disabe > > > > > > > > > AEC > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in a conference room. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making it a system-wide configuration option will > > > > > > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > testing > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > adoption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will be conducting further testing of AEC over > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > next > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > > and will report back with our findings. Anyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > wishing > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > participate > > > > > > > > > > > > > in our AEC testing is encouraged to contact me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joseph Karwat |415-462-0263 | JellVideo | > > > > www.jellnet.com| > > > > > > > JELL > > > > > > > > > > > > > NETWORKS, INC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click Here to Register for your JellVideo > > > > > > > > > > > > > Collaboration > > > > > > Account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Alexei Fedotov > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev; [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: AEC in the new release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no answers. My point here is that we can > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > 100% > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > today AEC does not work as expected, and provides > > > > > distinctive > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality echo in 100% of situations when users use > > > > separate > > > > > > > > dynamic > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > microphone systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The new thing is AEC mechanism sometimes meddles > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > hardware > > > > > > > > echo > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancellation support providing temporary sound > > outages. > > > > It > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides visible de-synchronization between sound > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > video > > > > > > > > > channels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone has a different experience, please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > speak > > > up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have two ideas to speak of. 1. Disable AEC in > > > > > > openmeetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > releases by default. It takes a simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration > > > > change > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. 2. Later understand when AEC really works, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, please again let me know if you disagree > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > have > > > > > > > > beneficial > > > > > > > > > > > > > AEC experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexei > > > > > Fedotov > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Алексей > > > > > > > > > > > > > Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > +7 916 562 8095 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Alexei Fedotov > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How AEC (acoustic echo cancellation) works for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you in > > > > the > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > release? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone share usage experience? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexei > > > > > > Fedotov > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +7 916 562 8095 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > WBR > > > > > > > > > > > Maxim aka solomax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > WBR > > > > > > > > Maxim aka solomax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > WBR > > > > > > Maxim aka solomax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock > > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de > > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > WBR > > > > Maxim aka solomax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > WBR > > Maxim aka solomax > > > > > > > -- > WBR > Maxim aka solomax > -- Sebastian Wagner https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock http://www.webbase-design.de http://www.wagner-sebastian.com [email protected]
