good morning...

I have the same messages in my recordings...

Meeting and then i will do the stepbystep thing... ;-)


Greetings Peter


Am 06.03.2014 04:36, schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> I have just checked the file you have created:
>
> [flashsv @ 0x28fcd60] Frame width or height differs from first frame!
> [flashsv @ 0x28fcd60] fh = 810, fv 1440  vs  ch = 1080, cv = 1920
> Error while decoding stream #0:0: Invalid data found when processing input
>
> According to the file header:
> Stream #0:0: Video: flashsv ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), bgr24, 1440x800,
> q=2-31, 200 kb/s, 1k tbn, 10 tbc
>
> so the header says:
> Frame height: 800
> The frame itself says:
> Frame height: 810
>
> No sure how this possible.
>
> According to flvrecording database table:
>
> mysql> select height, width, flv_height, flv_width from flvrecording where
> id = 226;
> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+
> | height | width | flv_height | flv_width |
> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+
> |    810 |  1440 |        800 |      1440 |
> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+
>
> why do we have both height and flv_height what is the difference?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'll ask Vasiliy to share his recording and/or create another one.
>> Will try to check your recording in the morning
>> seems like it have no videodata (or broken videodata) :(
>> Not sure what can be done here, but i'll check
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:03 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does it take for you also that long when you hit the stop button until the
>>> recording UI does really stop and switch the button state ?
>>>
>>> Can we have a look at the 1 hour recording, can you put that in the public
>>> folder too ?
>>>
>>> I created another video on demo.dataved.ru using a Windows machine. I put
>>> it into the public folder.
>>> This time the recording has not visual, only audio. I also cannot see any
>>> kind of error. The AVI file when I download it has less then 1 MB.
>>> Would you mind checking what was wrong with it? It is flvRecordingId 226.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-06 1:05 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I haven't monitored Red5 CPU usage
>>>> But the system is very responsive (Maybe because it is core i7 8 cores,
>>>> 8Gb)
>>>> I see no performance degradation.
>>>>
>>>> The stream is still being written to the disc asynchronously (this code
>>> was
>>>> slightly optimized)
>>>> I have put the recording made just now on my machine to the same public
>>>> group, you can check it.
>>>>
>>>> Vasiliy was able to create recording with duration ~1 hour (while
>>>> performing test plan for this RC)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Maxim,
>>>>>
>>>>> The other topics to be covered in another conversation, I think this
>>>> issue
>>>>> is worth a separated thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Could you please move your recording into Public (Openmeetings) group
>>>> so I
>>>>> can take a look at it?"
>>>>> => I did just that now.
>>>>>
>>>>> "All test recordings I have made were made locally, should will try
>>> to do
>>>>> it on demo."
>>>>> => I did try locally too, but the recordings are not really working.
>>> The
>>>>> recorded file freezes after 10-20 sec. Sound sometimes continues
>>>> sometimes
>>>>> sound stops too.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I start a recording I can see two processes jump in the CPU usage:
>>>>> 1) Screensharing application to 40-50%
>>>>> 2) The red5 server process jumps to 100%CPU (or what is leftover after
>>>> the
>>>>> screen-sharing webapp takes 40%)
>>>>>
>>>>> So did you monitor the red5 server process CPU while doing a
>>>> screen-sharing
>>>>> recording?
>>>>> I think the high server side CPU usage might be also the reason why
>>> when
>>>>> you click on the stop recording button for ages just nothing happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had a similar problem in the past where the red5 cpu started to use
>>>> 100%
>>>>> of the CPU while recording. The issue at that time was that the
>>> packets
>>>>> could not be written fast enough to disk. So I implemented the asynch
>>>>> stream writer with the BlockingQueue that caches the packets and
>>> starts a
>>>>> separated Thread to write the packets to disk in a reasonable
>>> interval.
>>>>> That is also why there is this wait period/check in the recordings
>>>>> processing that needs to wait until all data really is written to disk
>>>>> [see: BaseConverter#waitForTheStream()].
>>>>> At that point in time that seemed to solve the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> However the source of the issue might be also a purely red5 related
>>>> issue.
>>>>> Nevertheless I think we need to solve/verify it.
>>>>>
>>>>> At some point the screen-sharing webapp became just completely
>>>>> unresponsive. And only by killing the process of the screen-sharing
>>> app
>>>> the
>>>>> red5 server side process did also reduce CPU usage to a reasonable
>>> level.
>>>>> Do you experience a similar problem with the red5 server process while
>>>>> doing a recording ?
>>>>> I do not completely deny that it might be also a hardware problem, for
>>>>> instance if the disk is too slow. But I am using a SSD flash disk :)
>>> So
>>>>> that should be fast enough :) However in the future we might need to
>>>>> revisit the write speed for the stream writer that writes the queue to
>>>>> disk.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with this high Red5 Cpu usage in the past was also that it
>>>> will
>>>>> slow down pretty much anything, for instance all other streams even in
>>>>> other conference rooms will become slow-motion, funny sound effects et
>>>>> cetera.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-03-04 23:47 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Sebastian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for detailed testing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you please move your recording into Public (Openmeetings)
>>> group
>>>> so
>>>>> I
>>>>>> can take a look at it?
>>>>>> All test recordings I have made were made locally, should will try
>>> to
>>>> do
>>>>> it
>>>>>> on demo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now will try to answer in bullet list:
>>>>>> 1) "Can we make it that somehow that it will be displayed directly"
>>> I
>>>> can
>>>>>> propose to choose an icon from FamFam set (for ex. time.png,
>>>>> hourglass.png,
>>>>>> clock.png, clock_pause.png) will appreciate any help on this since I
>>>>>> personally not really like all the icons I have mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) "Previously you did get the pop warning 'not ready' directly on a
>>>>> click
>>>>>> on the recording when it is not yet ready for viewing." I don't
>>> really
>>>>> like
>>>>>> those pop ups since I find it annoying, I believe correct icon is
>>>> better
>>>>>> solution. (Maybe tooltip should be added)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) "but I cannot load the debug window on that server." currently
>>> debug
>>>>> is
>>>>>> only available if wicket is run in debug mode, this might need to be
>>>>>> corrected (or maybe not since room should be rewritten)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Also you send me another issue report: contact request email has
>>>>> fields
>>>>>> mixed up (from and to user names are mixed)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5) "What about the attribute 'length' of the recording" this fild of
>>>> the
>>>>>> recording is not being filled. What should be written in it?
>>> recording
>>>>>> duration? recording file length?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6) Appointments inside private messages were reported to was broken
>>> in
>>>>>> previous versions as well, so we need to file an issue and fix in in
>>>>>> 3.1.0/3.0.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your resume?
>>>>>> Should we release or wait for RC3? what of the above are blockers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "not ready status will be displayed after click on "!" icon in the
>>>>>> popup."
>>>>>>> I did not get a not ready status displayed. I see the icon on the
>>>> left,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> neither by clicking on the icon nor on the recording anything
>>>> happens.
>>>>>>> Can we make it that somehow that it will be displayed directly
>>> when
>>>> you
>>>>>>> click on the recording?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having links that you click and under some circumstances nothing
>>>>> happens
>>>>>>> are just very hard to understand for end-users. Previously you did
>>>> get
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> pop warning 'not ready' directly on a click on the recording when
>>> it
>>>> is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> yet ready for viewing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried to do three recordings on demo.dataved.ru, all failed.
>>>>> Possibly
>>>>>>> because I am using Mac and/or bandwidth issues.
>>>>>>> I was able to produce a recording at the 06th of February on that
>>>>> server
>>>>>>> with a Mac, so it is not a general issue.
>>>>>>> In the error log window I can see some ffmpeg command fails (see
>>>>> attached
>>>>>>> on the bottom of the mail some example)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the screen sharer itself stayed at 50% of the CPU which is
>>>>> acceptable
>>>>>>> for the first release of 3.x.x from my point of view.
>>>>>>> Just to get some recordings produced with it would be something I
>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> keen to verify.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another issues was that I cannot enter a room on
>>>> demo.dataved.ruafter a
>>>>>>> while. I just stuck in the screen when the loading bar in front of
>>>>>> entering
>>>>>>> the conference room is complete. I guess there is some null
>>> pointer
>>>>>>> exception in the code but I cannot load the debug window on that
>>>>> server.
>>>>>>> I was using the "remember me" cookie, after deleting the cookie
>>> and
>>>>>>> re-login entering the room did work again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about the attribute "length" of the recording in the UI, the
>>>> field
>>>>>>> seems to be simply not filled with any value yet, even if the
>>>> recording
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> successful. Is that not implemented yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Btw the autocomplete box in the private message center and
>>> calendar
>>>> is
>>>>>>> a-w-e-s-o-m-e
>>>>>>> I think we should leave it as is. Normally you can only send
>>> messages
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> your contacts, but I think like that it is even better. The old
>>> one
>>>> was
>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> restrictive to be intuitive.
>>>>>>> When attaching a meeting request with a date/time to a private
>>>> message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> it did not show up in my calendar afterwards. Is that something
>>> that
>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>> to done still ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the FFMPEG error on all my recordings:
>>>>>>> process: previewFullFLV command: ffmpeg -i
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> /opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.flv
>>>>>>> -vcodec mjpeg -vframes 1 -an -f rawvideo -s 1072x672
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> /opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.jpg
>>>>>>> exception: null error: ffmpeg version git-2013-10-22-c68faca
>>>> Copyright
>>>>>> (c)
>>>>>>> 2000-2013 the FFmpeg developers built on Oct 22 2013 12:58:25 with
>>>> gcc
>>>>>> 4.6
>>>>>>> (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) configuration:
>>>>> --prefix=/root/ffmpeg_build
>>>>>>> --extra-cflags=-I/root/ffmpeg_build/include
>>>>>>> --extra-ldflags=-L/root/ffmpeg_build/lib --bindir=/root/bin
>>>>>>> --extra-libs=-ldl --enable-gpl --enable-libass --enable-libfdk-aac
>>>>>>> --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopus --enable-libtheora
>>>>>> --enable-libvorbis
>>>>>>> --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264 --enable-nonfree --enable-x11grab
>>>>>>> libavutil 52. 47.101 / 52. 47.101 libavcodec 55. 37.102 / 55.
>>> 37.102
>>>>>>> libavformat 55. 19.103 / 55. 19.103 libavdevice 55. 4.100 / 55.
>>> 4.100
>>>>>>> libavfilter 3. 89.100 / 3. 89.100 libswscale 2. 5.101 / 2. 5.101
>>>>>>> libswresample 0. 17.104 / 0. 17.104 libpostproc 52. 3.100 / 52.
>>>> 3.100
>>>>>> [flv
>>>>>>> @ 0x3693900] Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 (Video:
>>>> none,
>>>>>> 200
>>>>>>> kb/s): unspecified size Consider increasing the value for the
>>>>>>> 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize' options Input #0, flv, from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> '/opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.flv':
>>>>>>> Metadata: noaudiocodec : 0 server : Red5 Server 1.0.0 RC3 Rev:
>>> 4393
>>>>>>> creationdate : Tue Mar 04 08:04:03 CET 2014 canSeekToEnd : true
>>>>> encoder :
>>>>>>> Lavf55.19.103 Duration: 00:01:28.87, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 593
>>>> kb/s
>>>>>>> Stream #0:0: Video: none, 200 kb/s, 1k tbr, 1k tbn, 1k tbc Stream
>>>> #0:1:
>>>>>>> Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, mono, s16p, 32 kb/s Output #0, rawvideo, to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> '/opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.jpg':
>>>>>>> Metadata: noaudiocodec : 0 server : Red5 Server 1.0.0 RC3 Rev:
>>> 4393
>>>>>>> creationdate : Tue Mar 04 08:04:03 CET 2014 canSeekToEnd : true
>>>>> encoder :
>>>>>>> Lavf55.19.103 Output file #0 does not contain any stream
>>> exitValue:
>>>>> null
>>>>>>> out:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-03-04 20:18 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com
>>>> :
>>>>>>>> Currently "not ready" recordings are marked as "broken" (same
>>> "!"
>>>>> icon)
>>>>>>>> not ready status will be displayed after click on "!" icon in
>>> the
>>>>>> popup.
>>>>>>>> interview recordings are now converted as fast as ordinary
>>>>> recordings.
>>>>>>>> Icon can be changed, please suggest one :) (Do you feel it is
>>>>> blocker?
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> maybe we can release 3.0.1 will all such minor fixes?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://demo.dataved.ru:5080/ contains the same SNAPSHOT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think there is still a slight glitch with the recordings UI.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Previously, when a recording was not yet ready for viewing
>>>> (because
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> still processing) there was a message in the UI telling you
>>> that.
>>>>> In
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> case of interviews there was even a progress includes in
>>>>> percentages
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> interviews take 1 minutes of processing time for the
>>> rendering of
>>>>> a 1
>>>>>>>>> minute of video.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you at the moment are too fast in switching to the UI and
>>>> there
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> kind of error or its kind of simply not ready for viewing you
>>>> click
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> video and just nothing happens.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is the current mechanism? Do we catch in the recordings
>>> UI
>>>> if
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> video is ready for viewing or not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-04 19:54 GMT+13:00 seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well if its just me I do not want to complain.
>>>>>>>>>> I am using a Mac, probably that is part of the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me try to run a couple of tests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Btw: Is http://demo.dataved.ru:5080/ the same SNAPSHOT
>>> that is
>>>>> up
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> vote?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-04 17:14 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Sebastian,
>>>>>>>>>>> I was unable to fix high CPU usage because I can't see it
>>> :(
>>>>>>>>>>> We have tried to reproduce it on our machines (me and
>>> Vasiliy,
>>>>>>> Vasiliy
>>>>>>>>>>> provides you with his measurements), but it is not
>>>> reproducible.
>>>>>>>>>>> No additional comments were provided, so this issue have
>>> been
>>>>>>>> postponed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I think one of the major obstacles has been the
>>> CPU
>>>>>> usage
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen sharing application.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did we reduce the CPU usage significantly?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-04 5:41 GMT+13:00 Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> El lun, 03-03-2014 a las 23:09 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik
>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
>>>>>>> OpenMeetings
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RC2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main changes are covered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Readme:
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/README
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Full Changelog:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/CHANGELOG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release artefacts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/3.0.0/rc2/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tag:
>>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP release keys (signed using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C467526E):
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/3.0.0/rc2/KEYS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1  approve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My vote is +1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>

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